£16k for Crisis

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Bidding on the one-of-a-kind guitar that the famed cartoonist, Gerald Scarfe, recently hand-painted, and the members of Pink Floyd signed, ended on Friday evening.

It went for £16,000, an amount very much appreciated by the UK charity for the homeless, Crisis.

The successful bidder also won the first edition of a strictly limited box set containing eight 16″ x 20″ signed prints from ‘The Wall’, as well as a signed book.

Congratulations – and sincere thanks – to you.

There are 300 such box sets available, should you want one. All are numbered and have been signed. See Gerald’s website for details.

The chatroom is open late tomorrow: between 17:00 and 19:00 (UK). If you’d like to drop in, whether it be your first visit or the latest of many, you’re most welcome.

Author: FEd

Features Editor of David Gilmour's official blog, The Blog ('Features' previously being its rather naff title), affectionately - or lazily - shortened to 'FEd'.

64 thoughts on “£16k for Crisis”

  1. Hey Fed,

    Very surprised at how cheap it went for considering the historical significance of it. You would like to think that the economic times had something to do with it. But those with deep pockets always seem to have them.

    If I had the cash I would have better than 16 grand.

    Cheers, Howard

    [I’m a little disappointed by the final figure, to tell you the truth. Not that I have any right to be, of course. £16k is not bad at all… – FEd]

  2. That’s a spectacular amount of money to give to charity for one item. I’m sure Crisis, and David will be very pleased about that.

    I shall hopefully be in the chatroom tomorrow, after a long day in engineering labs. See you then hopefully.

  3. Very good but seems like so little. It certainly is out of my price range but I bet if the auction was a year ago, the amount would have been more.

    In any sense, good to see that the money is going to a good cause.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

  4. Prediction: Barack Obama is going to win by a country mile… I’m not even American, but I really hope he does…

    OBAMA ’08!!!

    [Let’s hope. – FEd]

  5. Love the Dominoes download this month. Such a moody, strange and wonderful song, David, Rick and co really do it justice. I hope that if and when David tours again he continues to dust off some of the old Syd Barrett gems, they deserve to be heard.

    Hope everyone had a fun Halloween. I’m now stuck with a large candy surplus.

  6. [Prediction: Barack Obama is going to win by a country mile… I’m not even American, but I really hope he does… – Dr Phang]

    Why?

    And I am American.

    [I, for one, don’t want to see soldiers in Iraq for 100 years… – FEd]

  7. [Let’s hope. – FEd]

    … that he’ll keep word in case he wins. It won’t be easy to make the last 8 years undone (the most of it).

    On-Topic: I’d expected a higher amount of money for that guitar… 16k is still respectable, but with those 4 signatures, it should have been more (especially with the prices paid for other stuff lately).

    Regards,
    Taki

  8. 16K is still 16K more than they would have had so I would think that is good news. It may be worth more but who knows, I guess in theory anything is only worth what the last person paid for it.

    Hope Obama wins, he should but given the Al Gore V Dubya farce I will not believe it until it happens.

    Well done to Lewis Hamilton, great to have another GB Formula 1 champ at last.

  9. Hi FEd,

    This isn’t a question related to the blog entry, but there’s nowhere else to ask it.

    Why doesn’t David’s 1984 Hammersmith Odeon video appear on the Discography page?

    [I don’t know, it should be there, but don’t forget that it wasn’t widely released. You’d have to ask DG Management why they’ve left it out. – FEd]

  10. It’s to be expected that an autographed instrument will sell for less than an iconic one … this is a construction, a famous artist and sanctioned by the band, but not a piece of rock history. So £16k seems about right.

    Now if it was the black Strat ….

    I remember (or at least I heard) that Eric Clapton auctioned a bunch of his guitars to help fund his Antigua rehab. centre … and, bless him, he bought some of them himself ‘cos he couldn’t part with them.

  11. [The chatroom is open late tomorrow … If you’d like to drop in, whether it be your first visit or the latest of many, you’re most welcome. – FEd]

    It would be nice if it was my first visit, that would mean that now it’s September 2006, therefore so many good moments to come here on the blog…

    A big “bravo and thank you”!

    Michèle

  12. Well, tomorrow is going to be one of the biggest days in history for the people in the USA, for we may have a Lady Vice-President or a President who will be African-American.

    I really hope it’s Obama for it’s really time to get back on the right track again.

    Take Care,
    Thomas

  13. Nice guitar, nice collection and good money for Crisis.

    It’s about 24 to 26K US dollars, which is more than I could manage but good money for the homeless and needy.

    Congratulations to the winner!

  14. I’m sure the people who rely on Crisis will appreciate what Gerry, Fender, and the guys of Floyd have done for them.

    It does seem like a low amount, but for those in need it’s a windfall.

    [Indeed. – FEd]

  15. The amount is sure a bit skimpy judging from the fact that it carries the signatures of all the Pink Floyd members and the artworks of Gerald Scarfe.

    Nevertheless, every little bit helps and I am sure it means a lot to the homeless.

  16. thank you very much Fed for your help, i think rejoining will be the word i’ll use, have a nice day!

    Alejandro

    [The same to you, Alejandro. – FEd]

  17. Can’t help but feel that with better publicity this would have fetched far more. It didn’t even make the reserve.

    Somebody is going to make a lot of money when it goes back on the market eventually! However, let’s hope it went to fan who will cherish it.

    Hope to catch you FEd in the chatroom today. Thanks for the late closing.

    Paul

    [You’re welcome. – FEd]

  18. To all the Americans, hope you’ll have a nice election day!

    Hope that…Obama…………!

  19. I didn’t think it would sell for any less than £20,000 but it’s still a lot of money for Crisis.

    I won’t be buying one of Gerald Scarfe’s box sets as they cost £1,195, LOL!

    I hope Obama wins.

  20. Off topic.

    Is it not the most fascinating American election ever? If Obama wins, as I hope, that would be the first afro-American president of a western nation, not only US.

    This is so important for its cultural implications, much more than the man himself and his actual politics.

  21. i think it should’ve been more than that, but who has £16k lying around to blow on a guitar anyway? floyd fans have spent enough recently on the gilmour signature strat, which is an expensive luxury item to hang on a wall.

    this was always out of reach to the ordinary fan. a lottery would have raised more money but then the auction house wouldn’t have been able to take such a large cut for themselves and the rich collectors who placed the highest bids wouldn’t have had it quite so easy.

    viva fidel.

    [Viva Fidel. – FEd]

  22. Totally off topic but things feel a little empty on the DG front at the moment. Live in Gdansk has come and gone.

    Is David up to anything? Most of the recent activity is from 2006.

    Stevo

    [Sorry, but as usual I have to say that, if there was anything to report, it would be reported. – FEd]

  23. [Why? And I am American. – Fred]

    When such questions arise, I lose my fairplay and feel like saying that it is for questions like this that Americans are really fucked up.

    If certain Americans still do not understand in which country they live. What upsets me is that their wrong decisions affect the rest of the world.

    But this is also a European responsibility. Europe should create a European army: we would be able to raise our head over in front of the American Empire.

  24. £16k seems to have fallen short of our estimates, but it will still do a lot of good.

    The price of the box set is extortionate! Who can afford to pay over £1,000?

    I really hope that Obama wins tonight. If Americans vote Republican again, after all their complaining about the rest of the world hating them because of Bush (it’s not just Bush, you voted him in twice), I’ll be amazed.

    [It’s obviously completely futile to look back now, but when you think of the damage done in the last four years… Could things have been different with the Democrats in power? Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m still totally gobsmacked about the 2004 result. It’s why I’ve tried to avoid this election as much as possible, because the disbelief at seeing Bush returned to office last time ’round felt like a hammer blow to the gut. Were hopes not higher in 2004? The sense of desperation greater? I think so. Also, if the Democrats fail again, where does that leave Americans in the eyes of the world? As you say, speaking as another outsider, I’ve never known such deep animosity towards a nation before. And it’s sad. Yet the reality is that the whole world is waiting on the result of this election and such huge responsibility lies on the shoulders of the American electorate. I don’t know if it’s possible to forgive a second time. – FEd]

  25. Let me share something that really ticked me off.

    Yesterday on the train home, a black man was walking down the aisle, stopped by every black passenger and then handed him/her a card. On the card was a message along the lines that black people need to unite and vote for Obama.

    If a white person did the same for a white candidate, s/he would be labeled a racist and everyone would get up in arms.

    Make it about the issues and not the race of the person or the sex of the person. There truly is no equality in this world.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [Fair point. – FEd]

  26. [When such questions arise, I lose my fairplay and feel like saying that it is for questions like this that Americans are really fucked up. – Piergiorgio]

    I have been visiting this site since before OAI tour and I will not be back.

    America is not what is wrong with the world!

    [They’re only opinions, Fred. Yours are just as welcome. – FEd]

  27. [When such questions arise, I lose my fairplay and feel like saying that it is for questions like this that Americans are really f-ed up. If certain Americans still do not understand in which country they live. What upsets me is that their wrong decisions affect the rest of the world…. – Piergiorgio]

    Who the hell died and made you the seer of the world??

    There is no right or wrong in a democratic election. It is a process of choice. You can disagree with a person’s opinion or choice but you can’t label it right or wrong.

    In fact, as far as I’m concerned feel free to substitute any other country’s people in your statement above. Instead of Americans, put in Italians, British, Greek. Bottom line is that it just shows your ignorance.

    We have wars in the world because of attitudes like yours.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

  28. Sorry, but, if it was not for charity, it would be comforting to notice that people are not crazy enough to spend an amazing/insane amount of money just because there are four signatures on a guitar, whatever they are.

    Michèle

    [Too true. – FEd]

  29. [But this is also a European responsibility. Europe should create a European army: we would be able to raise our head over in front of the American Empire. – Piergiorgio]

    With all respect, this is nonsense! Armies are not democratic organizations. How can you expect an army to help to regulate anything?

    I really fear the day when the European bureaucracy will have its army…

    Regards,
    Taki

  30. Hi everyone!

    I think £16k is a decent amount. As Michèle says, it’s only a guitar with some famous signatures. 😉

    Everyone I know hopes Obama will win tonight.

    FEd is right about people around the world not forgiving twice. This election is not only about the USA. 2004 was a big let down and if the American public votes Republican again, they can’t keep blaming George W. Bush for the way the world feels about them!

    I think Piergiorgio is right to say that some Americans don’t understand that their decisions affect the rest of the world. Here in the UK we have live coverage all night. Do you even hear about elections in other countries in the USA? Do they matter?

    I’m staying up all night watching.

  31. [When such questions arise, I lose my fairplay and feel like saying that it is for questions like this that Americans are really f-ed up. If certain Americans still do not understand in which country they live. What upsets me is that their wrong decisions affect the rest of the world…. – Piergiorgio]

    I don’t think American’s are any more or less “F-ed up” than people from any other country. What upsets me is people from other countries bitching about America and telling us who to vote for.

    Sure, they hate us, but at the same time they’re always asking for us to give aid to this country or that country to deal with the latest crisis.

    I’m as frustrated with the way America has gone as anybody else and I think George W. Bush should be tried and imprisoned for all that he has done, but don’t tell me who to vote for in my own country’s election.

    [I hear you, Matt, and appreciate the response. I apologise for what must look like never-ending nagging from outsiders, but I’m sure you realise that everyone is looking hopefully towards the US right now as the only remaining super-power. – FEd]

  32. £16k? Is all that it sold for? My predictions were at least at £20k, and that was before the sad passing of Richard. Well, it still is good to know that 100% of the profits are going to Crisis.

    [I really hope that Obama wins tonight. If Americans vote Republican again, after all their complaining about the rest of the world hating them because of Bush (it’s not just Bush, you voted him in twice), I’ll be amazed. – Catherine]

    Just my own opinion, however, I believe that Obama is the wrong choice. Although Bush was bad, just because he was Republican doesn’t mean that McCain will be too much like him, contrary to Obama’s advertisements. People can be very narrow-minded with party lines.

    If Obama becomes president and withdraws the Americans from Iraq immediately, that will leave room for terrorists and the like to make refuge there and escape from occupied areas like Afghanistan.

    Just my thoughts, though.

    Anthony

  33. [If a white person did the same for a white candidate, s/he would be labelled a racist and everyone would get up in arms. – Andrew]

    Definitely. It shouldn’t be about race.

  34. [I’m as frustrated with the way America has gone as anybody else and I think George W. Bush should be tried and imprisoned for all that he has done, but don’t tell me who to vote for in my own country’s election. – Matt]

    Well said!

    Taki

  35. [I hear you, Matt, and appreciate the response. I apologise for what must look like never-ending nagging from outsiders, but I’m sure you realise that everyone is looking hopefully towards the US right now as the only remaining super-power. – FEd]

    Fair enough. I think we all want the same thing anyway.

    I feel very strongly that Obama is going to win, which is what I want to have happen. I don’t think that McCain is necessarily a bad guy in the same way that Bush is, but he’s not what we need. And God forbid he get elected and die because Palin would be a disaster.

    I also agree with those who have said that race shouldn’t be an issue, however there is a part of me that would think it was pretty cool to see a black (African American if you’re P.C.) guy get elected. Maybe that would be good for race relations here in the U.S. of A.

    [I feel a bit sorry for McCain, what with everyone making an issue of his age. He could live well beyond a term or two in office. That said, I agree with what you say about Palin. Scary. – FEd]

  36. […It’s why I’ve tried to avoid this election as much as possible, because the disbelief at seeing Bush returned to office last time ’round felt like a hammer blow to the gut… – FEd]

    And did you know, when I saw the election results for Mugabe and namely the “recount” it made me think of 2004. So in my opinion a recount was demanded on both Bush and Mugabe because they did not like the results. But then, that is only my humble opinion.

    If I still lived in the States and if I was American I would certainly vote for Obama. Funny that as I always thought myself as a Republican.

    However, in my motherland I am still a Conservative (dare I say it)?

  37. I actually think the guitar is well worth 16K and more. Not that I could afford it, having again failed to win the Premium Bonds, but if I had the money I would have bid higher.

    When you consider the prices paid for certain modern artist’s latest works, it seems a bargain.

  38. Well I’m sitting in my NY Hotel room, I’ve passed through election plaza, I’ve watched some CNN coverage whilst resting my sore little tourist’s feet.

    I’m certainly hoping for an Obama victory and I’m fully expecting one. I’m fairly sure that the Western Europeans would tend to vote Democrat anyway .. “Liberal” and “Socialist” are pejorative terms in the US it seems.

    But let’s not get high and mighty about what would be “right”. It’s clear to me that Americans take the exercise of their vote seriously. The turnout may well put the UK to shame. This is not a single issue election and people still divide along party lines.

    The “race” card is being played very little and that’s remarkable in itself. Those of us who see the 1960s civil rights movements as a great example of dignified protest … of how change can be won by simple demonstration of a truth .. cannot fail to be pleased at the possibility of a President of (part) African American descent, but how much better that it is not even an issue. As many are saying, “make the issues the issue”.

    However, Bush and Iraq are not issues that will decide this election. Bush is not contesting the election. McCain is distancing himself, so there is a kind of anti-Bush consensus … but it’s the economy that is dominating and as usual it’s US domestic issues that drive policy and promises … on both sides.

    The real debate, it seems to me, is about the role of Government. A large constituency in the US dislikes Government. Full Stop. That’s where we Europeans tend to differ, but we’ll be disappointed if we think Obama will radically change that.

  39. […It’s why I’ve tried to avoid this election as much as possible, because the disbelief at seeing Bush returned to office last time ’round felt like a hammer blow to the gut… – FEd]

    I know exactly what you mean. Bush stole the election in 2000 and I had a feeling he would win in ’04 because of the fearmongering by his administration. (Cheney went so far as to suggest that electing a Democrat in ’04 would ensure a terrorist attack that only “they’ could prevent.)

    It has been sad and frustrating to watch my country go down the toilet especially in the eyes of the world. We need to stop with the “cowboys’ and “mavericks” and “smalltown values” b.s. and realize that we are a part of the larger world community. I think we have that chance with Obama but like you FEd, I am not counting on anything as certain until it’s all counted. I don’t doubt there can still be a major f-up somewhere.

    Just reported – Obama has a healthy lead -here’s hoping!

  40. Barack Obama wins!

    There’s a lot of work to do, but I finally have a sense of hope for the future. “It’s been a long, a long time comin’ but I know a change is gonna come, oh yes it is!” (A little Sam Cooke for you, FEd.)

    Peace and love!
    Gabrielle

    [You’re getting your song in early in preparation for the next post, aren’t you? Sneaky. – FEd]

  41. Off topic.

    It was great to see the Queen honour a vigil Tuesday to the memory of Canadian soldiers of WW1. Until next Tuesday. Rightly so.

    Lest We Forget.

    [Indeed. – FEd]

  42. [But this is also a European responsibility. Europe should create a European army: we would be able to raise our head over in front of the American Empire. = Piergiorgio]

    What kind of talk is this? Very harsh don’t you think from an outsider? Outsiders love to jump on the USA don’t they?

    I tell you what, when you become an American Citizen, which I am proud to be, earn the right to vote, and pay your share of taxes, I will listen to your complaints about this Great USA I live in.

    Talk is cheap. Come over here and become a Citizen and see if you can make a difference. We welcome everyone that wants to live here and not bring us harm.

    Don’t let them run you off Fred. I don’t see any of them trying to make a difference, just a lot of cheap talk about politics that they have not earned the right to complain about.

    As Americans we may not agree who should be elected to office but we do agree that we wish the best for our Country that we love and the freedom it gives us.

    Barbara P

  43. Dang, thought this was the David Gilmour blog, specifically an entry about a guitar charity auction, not ‘let’s bitch and shill for a political candidate’.

    It’s pretty sad to see you condoning and even tossing in your own bullshit FEd, thought mods were all about keeping things on-topic.

    [If I moderated a forum instead of a blog, which would be easier in so many ways, you’d have constant off-topic threads which would no doubt be more popular and more interesting than the on-topic ones. Particularly when there’s very little to talk about concerning David right now and, evidently, readers aren’t too interested in commenting on the guitar’s eventual sale. If I deleted all off-topic comment, I’m sure you’d have something to say about that. Of course, when it suits you to be off-topic, that’s OK. So take it or leave it, nobody’s forcing anyone to contribute. – FEd]

  44. America…. A country that can make me get really upset and incredibly excited in the space of one day.

    Americans voted for change and all the world is thankful.

    Maybe our hopes, and mine, for the better will not be met. But this election is historical. The predicaments of Abraham Lincoln have gone full circle with the first Afro-American president (the pope is still white if you noticed).

    My words yesterday have been intentionally misunderstood by some. America has many problems to solve, not only war. Americans should clearly see that. Death penalty, racism, too many weapons and criminalities, war with its victims (young Americans and foreigners), economy (a country where they made you believe that “the market” is good. Yeah, now you see how it works: profits are private but when they fail We pay).

    Obama already made one thing: more Americans voted.

    In Italy we have solved more of these issues and I do hope for Americans that US will be a better place for citizens.

  45. [What kind of talk is this? – Barbara P]

    Hey Barbara P, can I decide as a European what I want? Or do you want to decide to bomb some country in the world and nobody has to talk?

    A European army would counterbalance an army ruled by an Idiot when you vote one like George Bush.

    Jesus!!!

  46. [Hey Barbara P, can I decide as a European what I want? Or do you want to decide to bomb some country in the world and nobody has to talk? – Piergiorgio]

    Excuse me but the Italian army was part of the initial effort, as was the British, Australian, Turkish and others. We may have led but all of you followed.

    To me one of the things that was most offensive in your posts is the use of your adjectives aside from the fact that you consistently bash America and Americans.

    And if you want to make America a better place, here’s a start, why don’t you give a call to your “Family” members over here and have them come home to your country. It certainly would go a long way in helping us clean up some of the issues this country faces such as crime and tax evasion.

    Then we could divert some of the funds used to fight those issues to plant some trees and flowers.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

  47. Andrew,

    That’s why I want a European Army. That Idiot of Berlusconi allied with the other Shit Bush.

    And I am full of your way of thinking. It is not possible to criticize America, “You hate America” etc. etc. Take your responsibility! YOU wanna rule the world? Accept it.

    Wanna know a story? We have American troops here, okay!?! When you bomb Iraq planes leave from HERE, OK!?!?

    One day on his last flight an American soldier flew in the Italian mountains below the limit and cut with the wing of the airplane a rope of a cablecar. 20 people fell amidst the mountains in the cab and DIED. Americans took the American soldier away from Italian laws, because you are the empire. You forced to have the trial in America. In Italy he would have gone to jail for the rest of his life because he was an idiot and didn’t respect rules killing people. The American court just took away his stars, ok?!?!

    Andrew, read a book in your life and stop voting for fascist Republicans.

    [And if you want to make America a better place, here’s a start, why don’t you give a call to your “Family” members over here and have them come home to your country. It certainly would go a long way in helping us clean up some of the issues this country faces such as crime and tax evasion.]

    You are a fascist pig.

  48. Congratulations to Crisis! Congratulations to David!

    Whether is should have gone for more or not, who knows, but that amount of money (especially these days) is a good shot in the arm for a worthy cause.

    I wonder who the lucky guitar owner is?

    Hey FEd,

    As much as I’m tempted to directly address a couple of people specifically, I’m going to avoid making more waves in an already stormy sea of comments.

    Barack Obama didn’t win this election BECAUSE he’s half African, he won IN SPITE of his being black.

    The Civil Rights Movement was in full swing a mere 40-ish years ago. Around the time that David Gilmour, Syd Barret, and others were getting down the basics of making music, people of color in the south were being beaten, lynched, and discriminated against and intimidated in every way.

    One of my clearest memories of that time was the September 15, 1963 bombing of a church in Birmingham in which four young girls were killed. I was 12 at the time I read the article in Look magazine and saw their photos. I thought “they’re just like me.” That’s just one of thousands of incidents, but it’s my ‘snapshot’ moment…

  49. …Black AND white volunteers canvassed heavily to get out the black vote.

    To see this as reverse-racism is a stretch. If you saw white people handing out flyers to other white people, would you think of that as racist? I think not.

    And as far as suggesting that people “go back to where they came from” or suggesting that certain Americans aren’t REAL Americans because of their heritage, well I’m ashamed that anyone would make a hateful, vile comment like that in 2008! Shame on you! So many people have fought long and hard to eliminate that kind of racism, but there it is.

    It’s time for ALL people to move forward and try to make this world a better place for everyone. There are so many people suffering in this world, and I don’t mean that they lost some of their savings on Wall Street!

    “Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right now.”

    Peace, love & understanding,
    Gabrielle

  50. [Excuse me but the Italian army was part of the initial effort, as was the British, Australian, Turkish and others. We may have led but all of you followed. – Andrew]

    I don’t know that politically they had much choice but to support us and besides that, the case for war was made on what turned out to be false intelligence.

    I don’t blame other countries for their attitude toward America. I do have to say though that when I was in the UK last year and watched the coverage of US news it did give the impression that all we Americans were on Bush’s bandwagon. Interesting I thought.

    I hope last night’s events proved that it was very much otherwise for most of us.

    [I think it does, Meg. I hope attitudes change now. – FEd]

  51. [Excuse me but the Italian army was part of the initial effort, as was the British, Australian, Turkish and others. We may have led but all of you followed. – Andrew]

    we followed because we are controlled by greed and we wanted oil.

    sorry to disappoint you, but barack obama will not change much. he is still the capitalist’s puppet.

    we will always be greedy and america is the greediest of all.

    viva fidel.

    [Viva Fidel. – FEd]

  52. The test is complete.

    I wrote what I wrote to evoke a response and the bait was taken, hook, line and sinker.

    Fact is when you write something like f-ing Americans, it really pisses some people off. Just like you got pissed at what I wrote.

    By expressing things with such a vulgar and negative slant, you will not accomplish anything more than ticking off people.

    Seems like this whole, nicey community thing that is going on here is all a facade. Anyone who disagrees to an extreme is cut down. There is no room to see another side of a story and to have an objective discussion. If you don’t agree, you are labelled as wrong.

    A shame.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    PS – but I did enjoy the exceptional Blog Action Day.

    [It does make you wonder if you’re allowed to have an opinion at times. That said, if you dish it out, you have to be prepared to… ‘Take It Back’. (That song works, too.) – FEd]

  53. No Andrew, this time I am no good with you.

    I said that “Americans are fucked up”. That means that US citizens have real problems. And this is a FACT. Never said “fucking Americans”.

    My posts have been intended by everybody, all those that criticized you. My posts showed my passion for your political campaign. I do speak English, Andrew, and this is the result of study. I know also your country. I am sure you don’t speak my language and not even know Italy. YOU have to show respect, man.

    But you crossed the line of respect and decency like many people of your political ideas do.

    You have been rude, vulgar, chauvinistic and it is you that didn’t accept other people’s opinion. You offended not me, with your words, but yourself talking of immigrants or everybody else who is not a WASP, a fascist wasp, like you.

    My opinion (now it is the second time in some months that you cross the line) is that you should learn from your new president what it means to able to talk and think.

  54. [It does make you wonder if you’re allowed to have an opinion at times. That said, if you dish it out, you have to be prepared to… ‘Take It Back’. (That song works, too.) – FEd]

    Thank you for that FEd.

    There is another song that works well, that is “Keep Talking.” But that also implies someone is reasonable enough to also listen.

    So on that note. I am done on this debate without naming any names.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [As always, I thank you for adding something to the discussion and for spicing things up a bit. I might not always agree with certain opinions – and think I’ve done quite well to (mostly) keep out of this one, don’t you? – but I’m always very happy to read them and reflect upon them. (‘Take It Back’, by the way, works for the next post. I should have made that clearer. Indeed, no matter how much optimism there is and how passionate the hope for change right now, everything we know and take for granted could be taken from us in an instant, so let’s all remember that.) – FEd]

  55. Just want to say: Andrew and Piergiorgio, I enjoyed (honest) reading your posts/opinions (even if I think your respective words were quite excessive and sometimes very rude).

    I think we all make mistakes, the history of each nation (USA, Italy, France…) is full of mistakes, serious mistakes, we all have in our own history ‘shame memories’ that we would like to forget, no one is all ‘black’ or all ‘white’ (no bad pun intended, of course).

    As someone said in the chatroom today ‘Mistakes are fine if we learn by them.’

    I remember a quote by F. Nietzsche, something like “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”

    Michèle

    [Good old Friedrich. He came out with some classics, didn’t he? – FEd]

  56. Thanks Michèle, but as far as I am concerned I will never ever consider any comment of Andrew posted here from now on. I will just skip them.

    I don’t want to insult somebody again falling in his traps.

  57. […and think I’ve done quite well to (mostly) keep out of this one, don’t you? – FEd]

    very well! i was hoping you’d get stuck in.

    viva fidel.

    [Viva Fidel. – FEd]

  58. Michèle thank you for that. In many ways, you are like FEd. Read on.

    Piergiorgio that is your choice. Face it, the only thing we will ever agree upon is that we both like the music of Gilmour and personally I am fine with that.

    […think I’ve done quite well to (mostly) keep out of this one, don’t you?…Indeed, no matter how much optimism there is and how passionate the hope for change right now, everything we know and take for granted could be taken from us in an instant, so let’s all remember that.) – FEd]

    FEd, as always you do a great job. I know you don’t agree with all that is posted however you are always very fair. You state your opinions but you also allow others to speak theirs. I’ve said it before, it would be a pleasure to have a beer with you sometime.

    And your last statement is right on the money. One song that always drives that point home – Mike & the Mechanics “The Living Years.” Take a listen.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [Such a sad song, that one. (A cyber-beer in the chatroom next time, OK?) – FEd]

  59. [Such a sad song, that one. (A cyber-beer in the chatroom next time, OK?) – FEd]

    When that song came out, I was actually expecting our first child and my dad had passed away just a few years prior. I had a great relationship with my dad but the song still brought up strong emotions.

    I’ll buy the first cyber round, hopefully I’ll get to the chatroom prior to the year end.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [Deal. – FEd]

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