Your artwork

David in Venice, as painted by Liam's dad

This is just fantastic…

Courtesy of Liam’s dad, do click for a better look.

Thanks for giving us a peek, Liam. Love it.

See how Polly captured this scene, here.

If you have something for us to see, just get it online and include its URL with your next comment.

Did you see ‘The Story of the Guitar’ last night? If not, and you’re in the UK, you can catch it on BBC iPlayer until Sunday. No David on this one, but an interesting look at how the acoustic guitar developed, nonetheless.

Don’t miss next week’s, as it will be about the electric guitar.

That’s BBC1, Sunday 12 October, 22:20 (UK).

Please note that it starts an hour later in Northern Ireland.

Author: FEd

Features Editor of David Gilmour’s official blog, The Blog (‘Features’ previously being its rather naff title), affectionately – or lazily – shortened to ‘FEd’.

85 thoughts on “Your artwork”

  1. Ciao,

    I am off topic (obviously: no paint to send).

    I feel like I have something to write. And I do not know how to write it. For sure I will, once again, collect negative comments.

    It is about Richard Wright. Now, it is difficult to talk, it would be better just not to talk for respect of someone who has recently gone.

    Let’s just say that I am not happy with most of the messages of my fellow bloggers. Okay, probably most of them are not usually writing here but….. I do not say to write an elegy to Richard Wright. It is better to pay respect just not talking, when everybody else is shouting.

    But the level of the things written here in these days…. Or even the enthusiasm for the CD. Lots of words sounded childish.

    Where is the enthusiasm? We got a CD and we lost a man. Are people getting this?

    I didn’t feel any commotion at all. I feel that given the fact that this was the last work of Richard Wright, many words used here are lacking respect.

  2. […many words used here are lacking respect. – Pier]

    I didn’t notice any word lacking respect, maybe there are several ways to show respect…

    Michèle

  3. Cool painting Liam. Tell your dad that he’s got amazing talent. I’d love to have something like that hanging up in my living room. It’s too cool.

    Enjoyed The Story of the Guitar last night. Looking forward to seeing DG on there on Sunday.

    Glad you enjoyed your birthday FED. The Man City result wasn’t a bad present, LOL!

    [Not bad at all. – FEd]

  4. Hi FEd

    For all those that cannot access iPlayer there is a web page for the programme (click my name) containing a link to an interview with David. However the link takes you to an Xuefei Yang – interview. I’ve reported the error so hopefully it will be fixed by the time folks read this.

    Of all the links on the page it looks like David’s is the only one that doesn’t work!

    On a brighter note, Play.com say my boxset is on its way!!

    Best Wishes all, hope you had a cracking birthday FEd.

    Paul

    [Thanks, Paul. I’m not sure who can see those clips, but let’s see who says what. – FEd]

  5. Thanks Liam, Liam’s Dad and FEd for sharing with us! Just a fantastic painting and scene.

  6. [I didn’t feel any commotion at all.]

    I meant: coming from people…..

    [I didn’t notice any word lacking respect, maybe there are several ways to show respect…]

    This is an example, Michele, all coming from one person in one message.

    [“Who needs a Pink Floyd reunion when you’ve got this brilliant box set?”

    “Even if John and George remain dead, Mr Gilmour proves that he’s still one of the FAB.”]

    And there would be others. I think that simply it is not the time to make crass jokes, to be too happy for the CD is on time.

    I didn’t read ONE mentioning RW in the “back cover reviews” apart from me.

  7. That is a brilliant painting.

    [Now, it is difficult to talk, it would be better just not to talk for respect of someone who has recently gone. – Piergiorgio]

    I don’t think we should feel bad for enjoying music or that we can’t talk about it because of Richard’s death, but there have been some comments lacking respect. Maybe my last comments were because I said the wait for the 5-disc set is a disgrace.

    But it is a disgrace and EMI would still be rubbish if Richard was alive!

    I’m still waiting for my 5-disc set. One of the reasons I want it so much is to see Richard on form.

  8. Just opened my 2DVD/3CD set from Amazon – Live in Gdansk. Have only played the DVD of the concert in Poland, absolutely stunning – what a pleasure to hear the music with an orchestral backing as well.

    Also in the set is a photo of Mr. Wright (God Bless him).

    Love to all Floyd fans.

  9. Cracking painting Liam’s dad!

    It seems I missed your 21st, happy belated greetings from Scotland mate.

    [Thanks very much. – FEd]

  10. Great painting, it’s almost got a Lowry(ish) feeling about it and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

    With regard to Piergiorgio’s comments I’m sure, apart from one or two exceptions nobody meant any harm of any disrespect to Richard.

    Sometimes people find the best way to get over sadness is to have a laugh, whereas others find that kind of thing distasteful and feel to sad to do anything like that.

    There is really no right or wrong in this situation, it’s just…you know…people and the way they are, it takes all sorts to make a world.

  11. I’ve just read that David has received the Q award for outstanding contribution to music, which he dedicated to Richard.

    Congratulations David!

    [The BBC: first for news again, eh? They’re too damn good. – FEd]

  12. [I didn’t read ONE mentioning RW in the “back cover reviews” apart from me. – Piergiorgio]

    I referred to him and more generally what I think we have all lost but perhaps it was a bit too cryptic?

    We don’t have to mention Richard in every post from now on and forever more, do we Piergiorgio? I can guarantee that, statistically speaking, none of us contributing to this blog ‘knew’ Richard. We all ‘think’ that we knew him but in reality we are really just fooling ourselves. David said recently that he was still only getting to know him after 40 years.

    Richard has been in my thoughts every single day for the last three weeks. I will never forget him.

    To be honest, I consider anyone telling someone else that they are not grieving ‘publicly’ enough or long enough to be insulting.

    Let’s all enjoy what Richard publicly gave us and respect what he wanted to be kept private.

    [Hear, hear. – FEd]

  13. I like the soft, relaxed feel of that painting. Nice one Liam’s Dad.

    [I didn’t read ONE mentioning RW in the “back cover reviews” apart from me.- Piergiorgio]

    Perhaps most people just took it as a light-hearted bit of fun for a Friday, Piergiorgio. I know that I did.

    Those who loved Rick and who he loved are the ones who have suffered the real loss here. I think there’s a point when fans intruding on that very personal grief, however well meant, becomes disrespectful and somewhat selfish.

  14. Great painting, interesting angle.

    Recovered from your birthday FEd?

    Understand comments from Piergiorgio but my personal experience allows me to indulge in the view that when it comes to emotions, especially on bereavement, there is no right or wrong. Hope all are managing OK.

    Hey FEd, must tell you the great news that I have just completed backing up my computer OK. Never done this before and only got new one in August and on broadband for a few months. YIPPPPEEEEE. My status is good so my computer tells me.

    Ian

    [Nice one, Ian. (I have recovered, but it will be a while before I can look at Lindor chocolates, I reckon.) – FEd]

  15. it’s nice to see something that resembles art for a change..not sure if it’s me, but things that pass for art these days is a joke…messed up beds!! i have one every morning..pickled sheep..hell, i have had a pickled shark for years, his names Furgle…

    in regards to Piergiorgio…i have read lots of very touching comments here…some made me smile..yes the odd rude one about but that’s part of life. u get good and bad..

    now everyone who has appreciated the music that richard contributed for yrs has been affected by his death..but u have to understand, although he has touched a lot of people..me included…we did not know him personally to chat to down the pub etc…it’s a different sort of loss to the loss u would feel by someone who u had been close to.

    it’s not shallow, it’s human nature. it does not mean we don’t care. WE DO.

  16. Hey Fed, this is not necessarily to be posted, only a link to let you know that “Live in Gdansk” is now entering the Danish charts (see the link, it’s the album charts, not music DVD).

    Maybe Danes are a bit slow, but better late than never, as we say. (On the other hand I don’t think I’ve seen any promotion of the Live in Gdansk here in DK.)

    Best wishes.

    [Thanks for that, Lene. – FEd]

  17. Excellent “bit” of art there, but is that David or Gorbachev playing the guitar??? Tally Ho!!! ;-))

    The “feeling” for “today” is “A Saucerfull Of Secrets!!!” Enjoy!!!

  18. ‘Imagine’ was brilliant last night. Thought Jango Reinhardt (the 2 fingered one) was just amazing.

    Have a lot of Paco de Lucia and Paco Pena stuff and although it’s brilliant, it doesn’t have the same appeal that David has playing, as it just doesn’t have the heart behind it. When you hear David playing, you know it’s from David but when you look at the likes of Jango, it seems very random but brilliant nonetheless.

    Also, I think it is on at a later time next week.

    Cheers…

    And fair play to Liam’s Dad… The painting is class…

  19. David Dedicates Q Award To Richard. What a great gesture!

    And now we finally understand why David proposed to play at the Glastonbury Festival last summer …. or could it be a coincidence? Well, I don’t think so. I think it should have been one of Rick’s final wishes coming true. Very sad it didn’t happen.

    I want to thank David for the beautiful album and DVD, Live in Gdansk. Beautiful songs in a brilliant sound quality. I love it and I think that releasing this album is a fantastic way to keep the memory of Richard Wright alive.

    Gertjan.

  20. Wrong post subject I know but couldn’t wait to express my empathy with David for his dedication to Rick at “Q” Awards.

    Other terms such as “congratulations” and “thanks” seem off target.

    Ian

  21. Hi Fed and all,

    Liam’s dad’s painting is superb. I didnt realise it was a painting, I really thought it was a photo. I’m an artist but it’s to do with alcohol.

    You are right as ever Fed, the 5 box set will be another six weeks as confirmed with my mate in Hexham. I don’t mind waiting.

    What’s the hurry? It’s not a race, but when it comes I shall embrace.

    Live in Gdansk a 5 box set, and some of you moan it’s not with you yet. Just think of the time it took to record, 2 years of the life of a man who’s adored.

    That’s the whisky Fed. Sorry, trying to get poetic.

    Damian.

    [A poet, too? I’m impressed. – FEd]

  22. Dear Fed,

    Off topic.

    A Turkish media portal says a group of British rock stars including David Gilmour, Craig David, Iron Maiden, Billy Bragg and The Verve is about to launch an Artists’ Coalition’ at ‘In the City’ conference.

    ‘The executive board of the union will be composed of 6 artists and 3 managers and representatives and they will issue a manifest of 6 articles for fair royalties and protection of copyrights.’

    Well, I don’t know if it is true because we didn’t hear anything from you about it (if you did and I missed, I’m sorry). I thought you might be interested.

    [It is true and you can click your name above for the (Featured Artists’ Coalition) website. – FEd]

  23. Re Pier’s entry about Richard.

    Many of us have lost a loved one to cancer. I lost my mother to colon cancer and also know of two professors (I was in one’s class) who died earlier this year from pancreatic and adrenocortical carcinoma.

    Not one of us means ANY DISRESPECT AT ALL to Richard’s family, David and the rest of the band. WE DO “GET IT”. Maybe it is time that someone does say that we have experienced a loss and we have felt the pain that goes along with it.

    By the way that was really classy that David dedicated the Q Magazine award to Richard.

    Thanks FEd.

  24. We’ve just finished a long weekend Fed so a belated happy birthday for Saturday. Hope you had a good one.

    I noticed that Woolworths (Big W) had ‘Live in Gdansk’ at 17 in their top 40 over the weekend. I’m supposed to collect my box set this week – hopefully.

    Just to add my little bit to the discussion about bloggers’ lack of respect for Rick.

    I’ve been following this blog for well over a year and I have seen an enormous amount of respect and admiration for Rick. Rick has always been considered part of this blog community and his memory isn’t going to fade very quickly.

    Wilko

  25. nice painting. =)

    i’m already waiting for my 5-disc set…it will take 2 months =

    in the meantime i’m enjoying my 2-disc version…big spender. =D

  26. Cool artwork, and nice words by David from the news section. Blech, I hate loss…

  27. Off Topic.

    We knew today why oddly David asked Michael (write the insult you think that best fit) Eavis to play this year’s Glastonbury. It was Rick’s last musical wish!!

    Michael (Insult) Eavis declined because he was committed with “Giants” such as Jay-Z, Kanye West or some Girl and Boy Bands.

    Smart one, Michael!!!!!

  28. Liam – tell your dad that he has captured that scene perfectly. Hope he doesn’t mind if I print it off and hang it somewhere in the house.

    Best wishes,

    Kev

  29. Piergiorgio said…

    Lots of stuff, including…

    “Let’s just say that I am not happy with most of the messages of my fellow bloggers. Okay, probably most of them are not usually writing here but….. I do not say to write an elegy to Richard Wright. It is better to pay respect just not talking, when everybody else is shouting.”

    “But the level of the things written here in these days…. Or even the enthusiasm for the CD. Lots of words sounded childish.”

    “Where is the enthusiasm? We got a CD and we lost a man. Are people getting this?”

    Erm, which Blog have you been reading? Certainly not this one, by the tone of your post.

    Following Richard’s death, all I saw here was an outpouring of grief, love and admiration for the man, and heartfelt condolences for his family and friends.

    We all loved him for who he was and what he did.

    Kev

  30. What a lovely picture. I wish I had just a pinch of the talent needed to produce such a beautiful creation.

    I think the sharing of such items is one of the great things on this blog FEd. A big pat on the back to you for taking the time to post them for us all to enjoy.

    Also, the dedication to Richard at the Q Awards from David was very touching to read on the Latest News page. We should all be so lucky in life to have a friendship and working relationship like these two had.

    Wishing you a good week FEd.

    Barbara P

  31. Hi Dave,

    I spotted you last night in the River Cafe with your 3 lovely women. You looked like the happiest man in the world!

    Cheers,
    Pete

  32. Good morning FEd!

    At first sight, it looked like a photo for me. Indeed a real good work, that painting.

    Back from Athens I now have to face to normal life again. Here’s a photo showing me on a walking break in the plaka, the old town of Athens (click my name).

    Have a nice day

    Herbert

    [Is that… sunshine? – FEd]

  33. Piergiorgio, I have been reading your comments for the last couple of years and always understood the message.

    Most often than not I agree whole heartedly with you.

    Always though they have put a smile on my face.

    I do however think you forget that this place is made up of lots of people world wide. Not only that, these people span all ages. Young and not so young.

    Because of this huge gulf there are bound to be differences in how for example people pay their respects.

    I personally have changed over the years. What made me laugh once may not now. I react to certain situations more differently now than I did.

    I do not always agree with the way certain posts are written here. A lot are very good. But you must allow for the fact that the person writing it may be of a different age group or culture and that fact influences the way they write or react.

  34. Fantastic painting! In a way it kind of reminds me of Lowry’s style, maybe with a touch of Beryl Cook (not on DG, more for the lines and colours).

    I’ve also been lucky enough to catch Guy’s Sunday night Planet Rock show for the past few weeks, and also Phil’s History of the Guitar.

    Guy’s tribute to Richard was awesome…

  35. Great painting. I actually like it better than Polly’s original, which is REALLY saying something!

    [We got a CD and we lost a man. Are people getting this? – Piergiorgio]

    For me, the best way to celebrate a musician’s life is to enjoy his music. Did we stop talking about The Beatles after the death of Lennon in 1980 (or after the more recent death of Harrison)? Of course not. People still talk about Joplin, Morrison and Hendrix some 40 years on. David even uses Hendrix’s guitar strap.

    I think Rick Wright would like the fact that people are enjoying, and even criticizing, his music. That is the best way to celebrate the life of a musician that we admire.

    It is not disrespectful, in my opinion. It is a sign that we remember Rick and the music he left behind.

  36. [To be honest, I consider anyone telling someone else that they are not grieving ‘publicly’ enough or long enough to be insulting. – Nate]

    I agree with Nate.

  37. My mate Dave, who went to the RAH with me, thinks it’s an amazing painting. He did art at college and he’s well impressed.

    FEd, I just saw on Yahoo that you’re buying massive amounts of short-term debts, LOL.

    Are you going to fix the credit crisis?

    [I’m with Michael Moore: let the richest 400 Americans put their hands in their pockets. Apparently, they have more stashed away than the 150 million poorest Americans have combined. The average CEO in the US takes home 400 times what the average employee takes home (their British equivalents don’t do too badly with approximately 30 times what they pay their staff). Maybe they should look at that. Maybe there’d be something left over for a national health service, too. Or some shiny new ballistic missiles. – FEd]

  38. nice architecture, tricky to get all those windows in so well.

    I used to have a bert weedon book. 🙂

    a.

  39. Firstly, I love the picture from Liam’s father. I think it’s very well done.

    Secondly, I’m in agreement with the others comments to Piergeorgio, and would like to add that I don’t think anyone who has seen or heard ‘LIG’ has suddenly forgotten that Rick Wright is no longer with us. In fact it’s just the opposite. I think it’s a shining example of our loss.

    ‘LIG’ was never meant to be a tribute to Richard in any way, it was a joyous occasion for all, although I think that some won’t view it that way now.

    We all paid our respects to Richard publicly here at the blog, our own little memorial service as it were, which clearly demonstrated that people grieve in different ways. Some folks can’t handle as much grieving as others.

    As sad as I am about losing Richard, I never knew him personally and I’m not going to contort my face and cry in front of you just so you’ll feel better.

    ‘Wearing the inside out’ isn’t something I can do on daily basis and frankly you shouldn’t expect it.

  40. [To be honest, I consider anyone telling someone else that they are not grieving ‘publicly’ enough or long enough to be insulting. – Nate]

    [I agree with Nate. – Ben]

    And so do I.

  41. [Is that… sunshine? – FEd]

    Yes, Fed, I was “sitting” in bright sunshine there last Sunday. There were nearly no clouds in the sky on that day, only a little bit colder, around 22°C, than the other days.

    Regards
    Herbert

  42. Well, Richard Wright WAS one of my teachers and to give him the title of “teacher” is a mark of great respect, not an insult.

  43. I can understand Piergiorgio’s feelings very well, but to the same time I think enjoying the music Richard has created is maybe the best way for us fans to honour him. And he had said himself how much he enjoyed playing this tour with David.

    Maybe it´s that what we should remember: The joy.

    Irene

  44. People should feel free to express themselves without being “ridiculed” for doing so… When someone makes a comment it shouldn’t turn into some “moralistic” debate… Everyone is “unique” and will have a different way of expressing themselves… Right or wrong…

    As a human it’s your birth given RIGHT to be unique… I thought it was obvious, but there you go…

    Don’t follow the fools down the fascist path… Don’t fall into that trap.. Life’s too short…

  45. I have to agree with the comments about people not grieving enough for Rick. It is NOBODIES place to tell anyone how mournful they should be.

    I, like most people didn’t know Rick personally but I did know & got great pleasure out of his work, as with all the members of Pink Floyd & their music give me so much enjoyment. I was upset when I heard he passed on but his work & legacy will ALWAYS be there to enjoy, so in many ways, he is just as with us today as he was last year.

    I lost my father a few years ago & the fact that he is always in my thoughts, he isn’t gone but is always with me & the same can be said of Rick, as long as his music is there & listened to by people who didn’t know him personally, then he will always be there. Death is only a physical absence, not a mental one.

    Most of us will never meet David, Roger or Nick to know them personally, so all we have to go by is their music, so they are all physically absent, but not mentally.

    God Bless you Rick & thank you for the music.

  46. [I’m with Michael Moore: let the richest 400 Americans put their hands in their pockets. Apparently, they have more stashed away than the 150 million poorest Americans have combined. The average CEO in the US takes home 400 times what the average employee takes home (their British equivalents don’t do too badly with approximately 30 times what they pay their staff). Maybe they should look at that. Maybe there’d be something left over for a national health service, too. Or some shiny new ballistic missiles. – FEd]

    Well, that’s not going to happen because these people are part of the system that rules the world. American people are prisoners…enslaved by 1% of the wealthy elite… And the majority are completely oblivious to the reality of the situation because their “rulers” are doing everything in their power to make sure the people are kept as stupid as functionally possible… Gearing the education system towards fulfilling the requirements of the corporations etc. It’s certainly not exclusive to America… Pure corruption has no boundaries…

    Everyone should watch Michael Moore’s “Sicko” documentary. All of his films… I hope he makes one about this current betrayal of the American people… How anyone could starve to death or die from totally inadequate health care in one of the wealthiest nations on earth beggars belief. Every country should have a “Michael Moore” exposing the reality of the situation… Dream on…

    Get ready for the real battle over the earth’s limited resources… We haven’t seen anything yet… The “ruling class” are going to kill us all…

    [It is a dream, I share your cynicism completely. – FEd]

  47. [I used to have a bert weedon book. – dognamedblue]

    I did too!! Still have it somewhere. It was called “Bert Weedon’s Play-In-A-Day”. My dad passed it on to me when I was 11 or 12 (25+ years ago!!!)

    Bert taught me that guitar picks should be very thick and very triangular, but not much more.

    Kev

  48. [I’m with Michael Moore: let the richest 400 Americans put their hands in their pockets… – FEd]

    Hmmm…last I checked there are quite a few extremely wealthy musicians and actors worldwide as well. And these folks earned their wealth by just writing some songs and playing an instrument or just being a goof ball in front of a camera.

    Then many of them once they earn their wealth, they denounce their home country to protect their earnings from being taxed. Or they hide their money in some tax haven.

    I’m not defending the pay of CEOs but how about looking at the whole picture? You think Sir Paul & Mariah Carey or Sean Connery & Tom Cruise really deserve all that wealth? You think it is right that Angelina Jolie earns millions just to appear in a movie? And please don’t bore me with discussions about how much these people contribute to charity. CEOs are also very involved with philanthropy for the same reason, it’s a tax break.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [I’d never dispute the fact that some people earn astronomical amounts from the entertainment industries and then try to hide their earnings from the taxman. But my point was about the taxpayer bailing out the bankers for their reckless dealings: I’d prefer to see people who have more money than they can ever possibly spend doing something for the good of the economy, rather than burdening people whose salaries are already stretched. – FEd]

  49. [I do however think you forget that this place is made up of lots of people world wide. Not only that, these people span all ages. Young and not so young. […] I do not always agree with the way certain posts are written here. A lot are very good. But you must allow for the fact that the person writing it may be of a different age group or culture and that fact influences the way they write or react. – Pete]

    I think Pete got the point.

    I am sorry to have put myself at the center of the attention with my post in these days. I was just pouring out my feelings: the day after we expressed here our condolences was instantly a mix of comments on the CD, on the fact that was not here, how happy people were to have the music, etc.

    The comments came from all around, and from people of all ages.

    As it’s been said many of us experienced the loss of a friend or family member the way that RW did. Probably we were more struck than others because we understood the tragedy of this.

    Probably the youngest didn’t. I was not telling people what they should have done. It is not my style. I wanted to point out my sadness…

  50. …As a product, a voice recorded on a CD, Richard was NECESSARY. So necessary to shout that the BOX has not arrived yet. As a man? It is the usual conflict man/myth. It is the same reason why I do not idealize DG even if a lot of people here do. It seemed to me that the myth became more important than the man. And we are all men. I was simply sad for the way was so easy to forget the death and NOT so easy to forget the DELAY of the CD.

    I know I am not expressing myself in a good way but I hope that someone gets what I mean. And the youngest here has something to think on….

    [Don’t be sorry. If one comment makes a dozen people think, it can only be a good thing and I’ll always welcome that comment, even if some feel that it should be conveniently discarded so as not to cause upset or offence. There were some insensitive comments. For example, the ones requesting an e-mail from David are ridiculous at the best of times, but so cold and shallow in light of Richard’s passing. The selfish calls for a reunion were entirely inevitable, but still made me sick no matter how much I had been expecting them. And I did consider keeping The Blog closed for a few more days, just as I thought about changing the colours, because it did seem like a heartless switch of focus for the sake of profits, praise and chart positions (which, frankly, I don’t personally care about in happy times, let alone sad times). Nor was I comfortable being thanked for dealing with the volume of tributes, because that didn’t seem the right way to channel one’s energy, either. Yet I knew that some people would want to get back to normal as soon as possible and look towards something uplifting, which I feel the music has always been. And Richard’s role in this band, his part in this tour… I don’t need to say it. Knowing that there’d be problems with availability and many disappointed fans, it also would have been wrong of me to hide. Had I done so, maybe I’d have been accused of using Richard’s death to lie low for a while. Of course, that’s not to say that I cared as much for anyone’s comment as I would have had Death not reminded us once more of how everything can suddenly pale into insignificance. As always, nothing can please everyone, but I am always grateful for opinions and will always thank you for sharing them; if you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have bothered writing and, in a world of mindless idiots and self-obsessed frauds, I will always have time for someone who cares. – FEd]

  51. [The average CEO in the US takes home 400 times what the average employee takes home. – FEd]

    this statement makes me sick.

  52. [People should feel free to express themselves without being “ridiculed” for doing so… When someone makes a comment it shouldn’t turn into some “moralistic” debate… Everyone is “unique” and will have a different way of expressing themselves… Right or wrong… As a human it’s your birth given RIGHT to be unique… I thought it was obvious, but there you go… Don’t follow the fools down the fascist path… Don’t fall into that trap.. Life’s too short… – Dr. Phang]

    I don’t get if the “moralistic” is me or someone else. But I think, Dr. Phang, that this time it is way too much to talk about fascism, anyway.

    There isn’t always a conspiracy behind negative comments. 🙂

    [Well, that’s not going to happen because these people are part of the system that rules the world. American people are prisoners…enslaved by 1% of the wealthy elite… – Dr. Phang]

    I do not agree. I mean, I agree on the facts but not on the conclusion. I believe in personal responsibility. We always feel like giving responsibilities to others: the world is dirty? it is the SYSTEM. No it is us: cars, telly, plane trips, papers out of the car’s window.

    People made revolutions, people fought for their right. My grandfather came home one day and told my mum “we succeeded”: they conquered the 10 hour work day (it was 12 before!). Now it is 8 in Italy…..American citizens don’t even go to vote!!

    People (you, me, everybody) should take responsibility and change, make a “revolution from their bed”. Change their everyday behaviour. Ghandi made India free with peace!

    Europe and it’s wealth system is the result of thousands of years of history, culture, revolutions….

  53. Hi Fed and all,

    I just went and had a look through Polly’s picture gallery for the inspiration of Liam’s dad’s superb painting. In the same gallery (21, picture six) you can see David having a practice session. Also looks like a drinking session, all those wine glasses. Some great pics by Polly.

    Damian

  54. Cynicism is not going to get you anywhere, is it?

    It’s easier to destroy than to build (or try to build)…

    Michèle

    [You can be both a cynic and a builder, can’t you? A realist and a dreamer? – FEd]

  55. [… I’d prefer to see people who have more money than they can ever possibly spend doing something for the good of the economy, rather than burdening people whose salaries are already stretched. – FEd]

    Fair enough but let’s also keep in mind that the reckless dealings go full circle. Part of the reason banks are in a mess now is a result of the “average taxpayer” speculating on real estate property. People purchased homes that were beyond their means in the hope of flipping them later for a profit. But the market didn’t appreciate and when the rates were adjusted, people couldn’t afford the home anymore. So they defaulted.

    The banks provided a loan structure to make it possible and for some things worked out. So we should fault the banks for being innovative? Doesn’t the consumer who lives beyond their means deserve some blame here as well? What about the real estate agents that helped drive the markets to these levels?

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [I don’t have much sympathy for those who end up in debt through reckless spending. It’s too close to those who blame McDonald’s for making them fat. But much of the problem is bankers’ irresponsible management of (our) money. Do they lose their jobs because of it? Do they end up struggling to make ends meet, on the Dole? Of course not. They walk straight into another cushy job which pays an obscene salary because they look out for their own and show nothing but contempt for everyone else. Meanwhile, taxpayers lose out because they end up footing the bill bailing out fat cat incompetence. So governments want to part-nationalise failing banks now? They shouldn’t have allowed privatisation and deregulation to spiral out of control in the first place. Why did they? Because they did very well out of it. It’s a corrupt, self-serving system, yet the ones who never seem to learn a single lesson from episodes such as this – because they don’t have to, because they’re above lesson-learning – are those rich fools at the top. Capitalism is crumbling and I hope they crumble with it. – FEd]

  56. Nice crisp day we are having in New York today. How about by you?

    Just figured it was time for a topic change…

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [Spoilsport. Gorgeous day here. Makes me want to don my Karl Marx beard and get on my soapbox. Don’t mind me. – FEd]

  57. [Capitalism is crumbling and I hope they crumble with it. – FEd]

    Fed, McCain/Bush will close the blog for being Communist and anti-American. You will be called friend of terrorists. HAHAAHAHAH!

    Sorry. Americans, don’t get upset. But Fed lifted up my spirit.

    I do believe that politics and politicians lost their power. they were like…a cushion between people’s interests and private vampire’s. Then, one day…don’t remember when, someone said “Who cares? Let the market rule itself”. And it became the place for vampires and victims.

    In Europe, which is in a bad shape, the countries where rules were stronger, situation is better.

    I do believe in a State (thus in OURSELVES) that takes care, that levels richness, that guarantees a health system.

    Capitalism won’t die. Capitalism in itself is the law of the jungle. The name says it all: capital, money. “Money, it’s a gas..” used to sing a well known rock band. But after this mess there will be new stronger rules.

  58. [Spoilsport. Gorgeous day here. Makes me want to don my Karl Marx beard and get on my soapbox. Don’t mind me. – FEd]

    Actually I could go on if you insist. I enjoy our exchanges.

    You sure you want the Karl Marx look and not Groucho Marx?

    You know in the U.S. there is lots of talk of the Fed being involved with the economic crisis. In fact, Fed slashes rates today. Will slashing beer prices follow? Care to comment??

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [A combination of the two would be a great look… And, interestingly, I don’t think beer prices will (can?) get much lower, because here they’re to blame for under-age drinking. (Yet another example of a desperate need to point the finger when, surely, why kids are drinking alcohol when they shouldn’t be is the real issue, not how much it costs?) – FEd]

  59. With regards to huge city bonuses, it’s disgraceful what’s happening but I doubt it will ever change very much because governments benefit from them too much.

    Since 2004 Gordon Brown has been relying on these bonuses to make up for shortfalls in his predictions for tax revenues and even if he’d got predictions right he’d have still more than happily taxed the bonuses rather than limit them. And now he says that the bonuses are “damaging the economy.” As Private Eye point out, “whose fault might that be?”

    On a much happier note my Live in Gdansk box set turned up today. I’ve only heard the first CD and the first two tracks of disc 2 but it’s even better than I thought it would be. I’m going to have to find a thesaurus before I can even begin to explain how good it is. I think the extra wait has made it sound even better know it’s finally in my CD player.

    [I’m glad you finally got your copy, Thomas. (I said you’d have it by Friday, didn’t I?) – FEd]

  60. [I said you’d have it by Friday, didn’t I? – FEd]

    You did that’s very true. Although you never did answer which Friday but I don’t mind. I’m in a very forgiving mood today since it feels like Christmas has come early.

    Apparently our usual postman didn’t come today. Instead a man with very dark sunglasses and a big bushy moustache delivered the post instead…

    [How very sinister. – FEd]

  61. I meant, it’s difficult to act positive when you always think negative…

    And can you don your Karl Marx beard and pretend to be a dreamer? Just kidding, eh?

    Michèle

    [I hope so. – FEd]

  62. [I do believe that politics and politicians lost their power. – Piergiorgio]

    Assuming that politics was ever about ruling a society you would be right.

    I don’t believe in anything at all. In my opinion politics was and is an euphemism for demagogy, and politicians always did what they were paid for and there wasn’t any power to lose…

    In my opinion it’s all a matter of education, which (what a coincidence) is not a popular topic in politics and despite of Internet and cheap books, still too expensive for the average Earth citizen.

    BTW: quite off-topic this whole discussion, but surely very interesting!

    Regards,
    Taki

  63. When politics and religion both lose their footholds in the heart of man and the earth’s soil…a change will happen.

  64. How about some more irony?

    Anybody have an idea how much a famous former political figure may get for a speech at a forum? People like Bill Clinton, Colin Powell and John Major get quite hefty sums to speak to a crowd for an hour or so. I’ve heard figures from $500,000 to $1 million for Clinton. Don’t forget, that is only the speaking fee, you have to add expenses to that figure including first class roundtrip tickets, hotel accommodations, meals, etc.

    Politicians are just as greedy as the CEOs.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [Damn right. I’d pay John Major not to talk… – FEd]

  65. [Anybody have an idea how much a famous former political figure may get for a speech at a forum? – Andrew]

    I’d pay a few Euros for W. and his stand-up performance. He will have plenty of time later this year and he has reached the state where one can directly laugh at, without having to make a joke about him (Wolfgang Neuss said that about a German chancellor, whom I refuse to write his name as he deserves to be forgotten). 😛

    Regards,
    Taki (Who doesn’t want a pet frog either)

  66. [Politicians are just as greedy as the CEOs. – Andrew]

    The level of the discussion is getting pretty low, don’t you think? We all know that politicians are greedy… but you mean “politicians” as workers. We all make political statements, even when we do not realize.

    The current blog political attitude, seems to me from your comments, is about “anarchy in the UK”….which is a political position. 🙂

    At ONU Italy was the country strongly fighting for a “moratoria” (don’t know in English..think is moratorium) on death penalty. This is politics!!…talking about values. It is one of the (only) things which made me feel proud of being Italian recently.

    Turning the head to the other side won’t make anything change.

  67. We get waves of railing against “the system”, the institutions, the polluters, the greedy bastards at the top (or maybe the bottom depending on where you position yourself) …. Spleens vented, we aren’t much further forward than we were.

    In our modern societies we can value our personal liberties, loving relationships, protection from fear and arbitrary force, our relative comfort and lack of want.

    All the rest of it will always contain good and bad. The size of the pie, the size of the slice … just look at the good things you have and enjoy each day you have. Tear one system down and we can all complain about the next. Contentment does not lie in that direction.

    I defy anyone here to propose alternatives that work to everyone’s satisfaction. We are all interconnected and interdependent and none of us really understand the consequences of what we propose.

    I prefer to focus on the personal and emotional .. it feels more like what this blog is about.

  68. Such a lovely painting by Liam’s dad and a beautiful tribute to Richard from David at the Q Awards. Very well done. I enjoyed David’s speech very much.

    But the reason I am writing is this:

    With respect to Tim, I find it hard to believe that anyone could think the people at the bottom ‘greedy’.

    [Surely ‘over-worked’, ‘under-paid’, ‘poorly represented’ and ‘demoralised by a system that increasingly lets them down’ would be more apt (although, of course, there are plenty of ‘lazy’ people who don’t want to work for a living… just look at the Royal Family for some fine examples). It’s not greed that drives those at the bottom, but the desire for a fairer society. That they’re now being told that, like it or not, their taxes will probably increase just so that they can bail-out the fat cats – instead of injecting some much-needed funds into the health service, policing, education, etc. – is the latest example of this institutionalised unfairness. Maybe it is time for those people to have more say, seeing as their so-called ‘betters’ appear to be making rather a mess of things right now. Just a thought, albeit ‘personal’ and ’emotional’. – FEd]

  69. fed, i couldn’t agree more. good for you. i hope capitalism crumbles. it’s had its day.

    viva fidel.

    [Thank you, Comrade Sam. Viva Fidel. – FEd]

  70. I’d better correct a misunderstanding …

    I didn’t imply the poor were greedy.

    Simply that if you take a moral stand and put yourself “above” these people, then they are by definition at the bottom of the moral scale.

  71. [I defy anyone here to propose alternatives that work to everyone’s satisfaction. We are all interconnected and interdependent and none of us really understand the consequences of what we propose. – Tim_C]

    Well if Adam and Eve never ate that apple, we would all be naked in the garden and enjoying life. Sounds like a pretty decent alternative, no??

    Thanks.

    Andrew

  72. [Simply that if you take a moral stand and put yourself “above” these people, then they are by definition at the bottom of the moral scale. – Tim]

    I wouldn’t take that as being a ‘moral stand’. My interpretation would be that it’s an elitist attitude.

    I think you’re right, there are people that think that way. That’s one of the reasons we ended up with Mrs T & her cronies in government for a decade.

    Well, that and middle England’s aversion to voting for someone who was bald, ginger and Welsh.

    [Indeed. Well said, Lorraine. – FEd]

  73. Thanks very much for your lovely compliments! My dad is very pleased you all like it so much.

    The painting now sits proudly in my student room at university. 😀

  74. [Well, that and middle England’s aversion to voting for someone who was bald, ginger and Welsh. – Lorraine]

    Ginger? Trying to understand the context of that word in the sentence. Spicy?

    Thanks.

    Andrew

    [He could be a bit spicy at times, but what hair he had left was red. – FEd]

  75. Jeepers, I had better take some clarity tablets.

    Although I wish I hadn’t bothered, what I meant to say was that we use the phrase “greedy bastards at the top” readily enough, but if we take the stance that greedy bastards at the top (NOT THE POOR !!) are BENEATH US … then they are in fact at the bottom….

    Or I could take a cue from the Reverend Andrew and use a biblical reference and say that the greedy bastards at the top (not the poor) will rot in hell and therefore be “down there”.

    I never intended to make any sodding comment about the poor.

    Can I now be released from the public stocks please?

    [It’s all good, clean fun, so please keep the opinions coming. It’s very easy to misinterpret or be misinterpreted at times, though; I should know. (A lot of it’s tongue-in-cheek, for God’s sake, relax… If I really wanted to be rude or offensive, believe me, you’d know it.) – FEd]

  76. Well thank you F’ed for recognising that there may have been a misunderstanding there … that was beginning to feel like a bad dream.

    Actually I’m about the most relaxed person I know, but being misunderstood, and then criticised for it, is a frustrating experience, and particularly when I am cross at myself for being unclear in the first place.

    That said I do feel that sometimes if one poses an alternative view it can be very easy to get trampled under foot and I have been tempted to keep my mouth shut about certain things. In the end I don’t think that is healthy and nobody likes to feel their opinions are less valid than anyone else’s.

    My original point was that I think it is impossible to deal with wider topics like “the global economic crisis” in a meaningful way, and I will simply avoid getting involved next time.

    Didn’t mean to be sarcastic about Andrew .. I only used the word “Reverend” because of the biblical reference, not wishing to imply “preachiness” etc.

    It was a fair answer to my challenge … perhaps a fictional Utopia is indeed the best we can hope for.

    (Although was the garden of Eden really a paradise or more of a sinister experiment in social control?)

    Now I need to write my 70s list again .. it seems to have got lost. 🙁

    [I’m afraid I didn’t receive it (and yes, I know all about the unfairness of being misunderstood and of not being allowed to have an opinion, trust me). – FEd]

  77. [Or I could take a cue from the Reverend Andrew… – Tim_C]

    Tim C,

    Trust me, I took your comment exactly the way you described it in your second post. I laughed when I first read it.

    I’ve been called a lot of things but this is a first. Of course I could never imagine myself being a man of the cloth. Very funny.

    Thanks for the chuckle.

    Andrew

  78. what we’re seeing now is the end of thatcherism just as the iron lady nears the end of her life. i will not mourn her or her ‘greed is good’ regime. childhood poverty doubled and unemployment tripled under thatcher.

    viva fidel.

    [Viva Fidel. (And she took our milk.) And, on that bombshell… – FEd]

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