…'About Face'

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Classic 21’s programme about the making of David’s 1984 album, ‘About Face’, was broadcast on Wednesday.

Thanks to the kindness of fans, we have it here for you all to read – in English.

It’s included with the comments below in several parts to help give an indication of the preferred length of your own posts.

Some posts are getting very lengthy and, therefore, are considered especially off-putting to many. So please be reminded, however you may feel about it, that this is the most that readers will expect from your comments.

The fact is, if you want people to read your thoughts, please don’t expect them to read for more than a minute.

If you can’t possibly keep it short and sweet, it would be appreciated by all if you could break long passages of text into several shorter posts to keep the blog as free-flowing as possible.

Thank you for your co-operation.

Our kind thanks to Michèle for alerting us to the programme, to Ronny for translating it, and to LG for transcribing it.

You can still listen to the programme in its original French here.

Please note that this programme was made up of old quotes from David and contained no new interviews.

Author: FEd

Features Editor of David Gilmour’s official blog, The Blog (‘Features’ previously being its rather naff title), affectionately – or lazily – shortened to ‘FEd’.

99 thoughts on “…'About Face'”

  1. Part One: The Making of ‘About Face’
    Classic 21, Belgium
    Wednesday 24 January 2007

    ‘David Gilmour’ came out in 1978 during a somewhat complicated period in Gilmour’s career. Only a few months after the painful recording sessions of the album, ‘The Final Cut’, which was the last album of Pink Floyd with Roger Waters still on board.

    Now these sessions were not notably painful for Waters, for at the time, he literally controlled everything from A to Z. It certainly was, however, for Gilmour – and quite possibly for the other band members, Wright and Mason. Where in the Seventies The Pink Floyd were a real band, in the beginning of the Eighties, they were more like individual concepts of Roger Waters.

    By that time, the other band members (Gilmour, Wright and Mason) had already abandoned ship for a while and were now in The Pink Floyd only as employees, extremely limited as simple student musicians serving Roger Waters.

    Gilmour now wishes to take distance from that and wants to bring out his own album – to breathe more air, again to work in more pleasing circumstances and, above all, to compose again.

  2. Part Two: The Making of ‘About Face’
    Classic 21, Belgium
    Wednesday 24 January 2007

    In the period that Gilmour’s solo album ‘About Face’ came out, whenever he was asked about the future of Pink Floyd, he was always very vague. At that time, the future of Pink Floyd was already questionable.

    He also stresses his extreme disappointment, not only in the atmosphere in which ‘The Final Cut’ had to be made, but also in the final result of the record itself. He says it is not a good album, and he starts speaking openly about the problems he had with Waters.

    At that moment he could not have imagined that the problems he had with him, and his declarations to the press, would lead to a huge trial that took years. Finally, he won. It’s David Gilmour that keeps the Pink Floyd name, not Roger Waters.

  3. Part Three: The Making of ‘About Face’
    Classic 21, Belgium
    Wednesday 24 January 2007

    When David Gilmour was interviewed at that time, he showed up with a new look: a short hair-cut, a relaxed presence. The journalists were facing a man in his best ages, but younger than before, more self-assured and with no weight upon his shoulders at all.

    Gilmour, who did not have any right to produce Pink Floyd before (we remind you that Waters did not give him any access at all to the production seat, at least on ‘The Final Cut’), but now produced his very own album, accompanied by Bob Ezrin, an old friend with whom he had teamed up in the production of ‘The Wall’ in 1979.

    Let’s listen to his first track title called, ‘Murder’. This song is an evocation of the murder of John Lennon. Gilmour said about this song:

    “I’ve never met him, actually, John Lennon. This song has developed out of my personal feelings, my relation to this murder, feelings of fear and frustration, like anyone has.”

  4. Part Four: The Making of ‘About Face’
    Classic 21, Belgium
    Wednesday 24 January 2007

    The album, ‘About Face’, has been recorded in 1983, in France, in a well known studio, Pathé-Marconi, owned by EMI. Being used to playing with excellent musicians, Gilmour will here again compose a kind of dream team.

    We’re going to hear on the album Mr Jeff Porcaro (Toto) on drums, Pino Palladino (The Who’s stage and studio sessionist) on bass, Ray Cooper on percussion, Ian Cully on keyboards, Steve Winwood on piano and Hammond organ (‘Love on the Air’ and ‘Blue Light’ from Roy Harper, who is also there).

    There is Sam Brown (female vocals) and Jon Lord (Deep Purple keyboardist and good friend of Gilmour’s).

    Surrounded by this fantastic line-up, Gilmour wishes to take his time to refine a work. He says:

    “I really want to make a great album, you know. I did not want to record it in a hurry. I wanted to be surrounded by the world’s finest musicians. Jeff Porcaro was on top of my list, as was Pino Palladino for bass. Cully for the keyboards was my favourite, although he could not be there the entire period, he did play on ‘Blue Light’. So I had quite some time for reflection and to let the album grow and mature. There was, for example, time to create new material based on various musical snippets I’ve gathered along the way that was actually the basis for the title track we are now going to hear – ‘Blue Light’.”

  5. Part Five: The Making of ‘About Face’
    Classic 21, Belgium
    Wednesday 24 January 2007

    With the album, ‘About Face’, Gilmour wants to return to a certain authenticity: simplicity. That’s why the instrumental basis of most of its songs is played in a live manner: four musicians playing together at the same time in the recording studio, followed by the guitar player, various guitar overdubs, signed by David Gilmour.

    He says, “When I started this project, it was my intention to reunite some real musicians – old school musicians – those who can actually play – I mean really play – real music. At that particular period, this was not really going with that period of time. However, lately, there are some signs that it’s coming back to the UK. I am really pleased about that.”

    We’ve mentioned Steve Winwood’s participation. Well, you should know that Gilmour did not personally know him at the time; he was just a fan of Winwood – and a long time fan, at that. He says of Winwood:

    “Well, I’ve paid him very well, but I really didn’t want Steve to do me any favours. I practically didn’t know him. I’ve always adored Steve Winwood. I used to go to his Spencer Davis Group concerts when I was eighteen. He was sixteen then and played really well. He was good on the piano as well as on guitar. I absolutely wanted to have him with me.”

  6. Part Six: The Making of ‘About Face’
    Classic 21, Belgium
    Wednesday 24 January 2007

    Another important person who was going to play an important role on this album was Pete Townshend.

    Townshend would put his signature on two songs together with Gilmour, ‘Love on the Air’ and ‘All Lovers Are Deranged’. Shortly before the recordings, Townshend and Gilmour had met and Townshend had told him he adored his first solo album. Encouraged by this, Gilmour ‘phoned Townshend to participate in recording the album, ‘About Face’.

    Gilmour says, “I had written three different lyrics for ‘Love on the Air’ and ‘All Lovers Are Deranged’ and none of them were appropriate. Well, I wasn’t satisfied with them. So I asked Townshend if he could do it. I’ve not worked directly with him. I’d send him the instrumental tapes and he’d return me the lyrics – even a piece of singing as a demo version. I wanted to keep his field clear without any restrictions.”

    To thank Mr Townsend for his collaboration, Gilmour would sing a song on Townshend’s album, ‘White City’, an album that would be released a year later.

  7. Part Seven: The Making of ‘About Face’
    Classic 21, Belgium
    Wednesday 24 January 2007

    The prestigious musicians who collaborated with Gilmour in the studio would, unfortunately, not be joining him on the tour that supported the album’s release. As usually is the case, studio musicians tend to be more in the studio than on stage. However, Gilmour will again form another solid dream team for this occasion.

    There will be the drummer, Chris Slade (Manfred Mann, who would join AC/DC later). The bass player, Micky Feat, keyboard player Greg Dechert, and of course, guitarist, Mick Ralphs (Bad Company). Soon Ralphs and Gilmour became accomplices. He says about Ralphs:

    “He is an extraordinary lead guitar player. He can play so many different styles, and that’s something other leads cannot do. When he plays, it’s always with a lot of flair and with balls. It’s a big weight off my shoulders when I play with him onstage.”

    The tour will play at small venues – places where Pink Floyd do not go anymore. Although the name ‘Gilmour’ was a bit less notorious as it is now, the tour has done very well in venues of a few thousand people.

  8. Wow…

    DG’s future could have been so different if he hadn’t won that court case and got the Floyd name. It even sounds from the interview that DG wasn’t really sure what he wanted to do…

    On the DG 1984 VHS tape there’s a 30 minute documentary entitled “After the Floyd” (or something similar) which just goes to show what the situation was at the time…

    Big thanks to everyone involved in the translation etc…

  9. Many, /many/ thanks to Michele, Ronny, and LG for services above and beyond.

    I have a feeling that I’m not the only one reading this who can easily ‘hear’ David’s voice speaking in the interview. 🙂

    Off to beat up monsters in WoW for a bit…

    ‘Nix.

  10. I’m still here…just not ‘here’ very much, so apologies for not joining in very much these days…..

    Anyways, many thanks for the translations and transcriptions folks, much appreciated. Some interesting comments in there….

    Later……..

  11. Hi all… Happy Friday!!!!

    Hey thanks to Ronnie and Michele and anyone else involved in bringing this to us. So many irregulars willing to step out of the box and do things for others. Very good to see!

    Have a great weekend all!
    Tim

  12. THIS is what makes this website and this blog so great. An interview is done a half a world away from me in a language foreign to me. Yet, the community worked together to bring it to a larger audience and share the experience.

    Yes, if you haven’t noticed already, I very much enjoyed reading this interview. Thank you for taking the time out each of your schedules and allowing all to enjoy.

    Sure I enjoy the banter back and forth on the blog and certainly participate in some of the silliness that happens here. But it is stuff like this that makes me want to come back again and again.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

  13. [He also stresses his extreme disappointment, not only in the atmosphere in which ‘The Final Cut’ had to be made, but also in the final result of the record itself. He says it is not a good album…]

    And now my two cents on this part of the interview.

    It does bother me a bit that David felt this way. I understand that the circumstances it was done under were crappy to say the least. And I understand that the experience would have tainted him to feel that way.

    Then again we have to remember that these words were only shortly after The Final Cut experience. So the wounds were still very fresh and the battle was yet to come.

    But I will still defend The Final Cut as a good piece of work. No, it is not the best PF out there but there are some moments that are just fabulous and the solos just soar.

    It is probably one of the worst selling PF releases. Probably because it was the one that was the least promoted, even though it did have some major radio airplay with Not Now John. But I hope that fans who are stuck in the period between DSOTM and The Wall, give it a chance as well.

    Thanks.

    Andrew

  14. Thanks for all this guys. A lot of this stuff I didn’t know. Seeing as I was only in 4th grade when the About Face album came out.

    Renee B.
    Fontana, Ca USA

  15. Wow, thanks bunches to you all for the translation, which is offering highly appreciated info for all of us fans we would have missed otherwise.

    Have a great WE
    Ulli

  16. Just a quick question which is the song David sang on Pete Townshend’s album?

    Renee B.
    Fontana,Ca USA

    [I don’t know about any singing, but David certainly played on, and wrote the music for, ‘White City’. He also plays guitar on ‘Give Blood’. – Features Editor]

  17. Great work everyone! Very interesting material.

    Us bloggers can really get things done, other than sitting around chatting and avoiding work!

    Thanks to Michele, Ronny, and LG!

  18. Amazing!

    May I send my thanks to Michéle, Ronny & LG 🙂

    Incredible global co-operation. What a fine invention this internet thing is!

    I only have AF on cassette and listening to the podcast (and reading the transcript) has made me buy it on CD. I remember playing that cassette to death when I was in the sixth form.

  19. I just want to say to David Gilmour something very simple.

    David, your music makes me feel good inside.

    Melissa(*_*)

  20. Back in ’84, I was an incredibly fortunate 16-year old Floyd fan, who got to see the “About Face” tour at Merriweather Post Pavilion in Columbia, MD. For obvious reasons, I thought I’d never see Pink Floyd live. (I did, though – 5 times! And David again in ’06, and Roger twice, too!)

    David Gilmour has always been by far my favorite guitarist – nobody else has his mesmerizing quality. In addition to all the Floyd stuff, I’ve always loved his solo works, as well as his collaborations with such a wide variety of artists.

    Anyway, point being, “About Face” will always be very special to me, as it was the first time I got to experience David live.

  21. Dear Ed,

    Just noted this on BBC Website (click my name). Obviously more PF orientated but when I placed my vote PF were the most desired to re-form.

    To be honest, despite everything, I think the Live 8 gig spurred many bands to re-form and yet the 4-man Floyd have not – almost ironic?

    Hope this is of some use/interest.

    Lee

  22. Thank you very much to the involved people for making this interesting report understandable for me.

  23. Thanks for the translation, good folks. It was very kind for us non-French speaking fans.

    I’m glad for David that things are not as frustrating as they were back in the early 80’s. He is a great musician, and he should be allowed to make music in a stress free way. (or at least mostly stress free)

  24. You all really did a great job. I want to thank Michele, Ronny and LG for letting all of to be able to enjoy the interview.

    This is why David Gilmour’s web site is the best. Its like a family who care for each other. Again thank you from the bottom of my heart.

    Take Care,
    Thomas

    PS. Hope you have a great weekend Fed and Please maybe you can open the chat room a little later like even 4pm so we can all join.

  25. Thanks for the transcription folks. I’m listening to About Face as I comb through the posts.

    Nice way to relax after a hectic week at work.

    Cheers!

  26. Michele, Ronnie and LG, and Fed. What a fantastic, stupendous biography. The Making of AF.Short and Sweet with loads of information. Nice to see Greg Dechert’s name too. Good old Canadian boy.

    To SA, welcome aboard, don’t fret over anything you write. Okay?

  27. One thing that popped into my mind whilst reading the interview was how David felt at that time regarding PF`s situation, where he was clearly unsure. So it makes it more poignant these days that fans should not pressure him to reunite PF. `

    On an Island` is such a fantastic offering, with a fantastic tour to match, I`m happy with that! And I`ve always adored `David Gilmour` and `About Face` that all three albums are constantly played in my van at work!

    Many thanks to all involved for translating.

    Have a good weekend all.
    Adrian.

  28. A big cheer for Michele, Ronny, LG, and of course FEd for bringing this to us! I really can’t thank you enough for all your work! Merci Beaucoup, Merci Beaucoup, Merci Beaucoup, and Merci Beaucoup all around! You guys are the best!

  29. I tried third times and finally i was able to listen to this very interesting interview, witout cutting. Merci, merci, merci Michèle pour ce bon moment que j aie pu savourer dans ma langue sans perdre un seul mot! Tu es une personne importante sur ce blog, ne l oublies jamais!!!

    Sylvie de Montréal xxx

  30. Euh… f.é. are we in 2006 or in 2007???

    Sylvie de Montréal

    [Quite right. I thought I’d dozed off again. Merci. – Features Editor]

  31. Great story, thanks Michele, Ronny and you Fed for letting our friends do this on this fun blog.

    thanks again guys.

    George

  32. Caption

    While Guy was doing his thing on stage, fans were startled to discover that the sun really did shine out of his ass

  33. [‘David Gilmour’ came out in 1978 during a somewhat complicated period in Gilmour’s career. Only a few months after the painful recording sessions of the album, ‘The Final Cut’, which was the last album of Pink Floyd with Roger Waters still on board.]

    Well, shouldn’t it read like: ‘About Face’ came out in 1984… ? Because ‘David Gilmour’ came out in 1978 before recording sessions of the album ‘The Wall’.

  34. I’m betting that today’s photo was taken during Echoes eerie seagull part. David played this part in the dark on tour.

  35. Yeah, it would be cool if the 1984 VHS was released here in the UK on DVD… we didn’t get it through “lack of commercial interest”.

  36. I am sorry that I missed the 3 word competition, I had come up with peace tranquility and relaxation.

    Would like to know when David will be next playing in this country.

  37. thanks for the translations ronny . michele it was cool of you to let us know it was on . what an interesting read .

    i hope everyone is having a good weekend .

    peace
    Linda

  38. Thanks for all who translated and transcribed this! I too, love these ‘behind the music’ kind of shows.

    I hope it’s ok to say ‘Happy Birthday’ to Mr. Nick Mason.

    Hope everyone is having a good weekend

    ~Erin

  39. Thanks to the wonderful Michèle for all (very very interesting programme), to Ronny and to LG.

    I am sorry for my absence from the chat but in this moment I am working 20 hours a day.

    Dear greatings to Adriano, Michele, Rudders and all the Bloggers.

    Out of topic, what do U think about Ronaldo, FED?

    Cheers
    Claudio

    [Which one? – Features Editor]

  40. I have to add my sincere thanks to everyone who brought us the interview to read. Nice way to wake up with my morning Dr Pepper! Now maybe I’ll cue up some About Face.

    Elizabeth

  41. Confession time – I’ve still never listened to the Final Cut.

    Still not sure I want to but descriptions of soaring guitar solos is tempting . . .

  42. Give Blood, I love that song and didn’t know David played guitar on that. Will listen intently on that one Fed, thanks. You’ve certaintly done all your homework well.

    To Lee Alex. I checked it out, and a reunion by Floyd tops the list by a mile. Not surprised at all.

    David is probably saying, oh no here we go again, get a life people.

  43. “You are right fed I dont have to read or contribute. People can’t talk about it civilly? That is lame-ass!”

    I’m jumping a topic but the topic was closed.

    Blake, I thought you might like to know that at least one person is not booing you off the stage.

    Just keep posting what you think and feel. And I’m sure everybody else will as well. I may not agree with all you say but I wouldn’t want you to feel driven out because it seems to me you have a genuine intent.

  44. [But I will still defend The Final Cut as a good piece of work. No, it is not the best PF out there but there are some moments that are just fabulous and the solos just soar. It is probably one of the worst selling PF releases. Probably because it was the one that was the least promoted, even though it did have some major radio airplay with Not Now John. But I hope that fans who are stuck in the period between DSOTM and The Wall, give it a chance as well.]

    I agree that The Final Cut is a decent album, although it does not live up to the musical standard set by previous Pink Floyd albums, and I believe that is what David meant by that comment. It really feels like a Waters solo album, albeit with some amazing guitar work from Gilmour.

    I think the reason that The Final Cut has a bad reputation is because the album lost the imaginative feel of the Floyd experience. While Waters has released some decent solo albums, none comes close to what Gilmour was able to do on On An Island.

    About Face was Gilmour’s chance to showcase his talents after the frustration of The Final Cut experience, and he did not disappoint!

  45. Great teamwork on the translation/transcription guys! I echo everything said about this blog here…quite special indeed!

    Great picture today, too.

    And a Happy Belated Birthday to the man who would “cut me into little pieces”….

  46. when I saw David perform Astronomy Domine on the Sessions DVD my mind instantly saw what John Wayne would have looked like if he played guitar in a rock band.

  47. Wow, you are all too kind !

    Sylvie, si contente pour toi que le podcast n’ait pas eu le hoquet plus longtemps !

    Michèle

  48. CAPTION:

    “This bloody hammond is acting up again, well this time I’m Mr D.I.Y. . Doo doo doo red wire connects to the ……….BANGGGGG. David old boy would you pass me the yellow pages theres a good chap?”

    Rgds Geoff Duffy ( Dublin )

  49. Ciao,

    off topic but I will try to keep it short.

    George Maciver:”Hey P, who the f**k do you think you are to call an entire nation of wonderful people fat slobs?”.

    I didn’t say that, I said that America is the fattest country in the world. That’s a fact.

    Tim C: “Drugs are for losers. period.”

    No one has defined drug. It is just a word that means nothing if not connected to a substance and the person which uses it. So I would say something for the benefit of young people here.

    To let anything control you is wrong,kids, always wrong and whatever it is. Drugs try to control your will, people your opinion and mind. Always use YOUR intelligence and judgement. Heavy Drugs are too strong, so don’t even try to feel what sensations gives you if you feel that you could like that thing “too much”.

    And Kids, the same is for fat food, alchool, cigarettes, caffeine…anything!!! Hey kids, be in control.

    And then, once in a while , after you have done your job or your study..you can relax with a drink or a joint and a burger 😉

    If drug addicted are losers…rock history is the story of losers.

    Piergiorgio

  50. Hello Fed,

    hope you had a restful weekend.

    Here’s something completely off topic (but nonetheless loosely connected to David Gilmour) I discovered on another site.

    Seems to me this has been made by someone with a lot of time, patience and strong nerves … funny …

    [Interesting. Thanks for that, Georg. – Features Editor]

  51. Frank,

    I don’t fret over what I write, it is just the nature of blogging is new to me, either am I grammar correct in what I write. (So bear with me.)

    David Gilmour is one of my favorite guitarists next to Stevie Ray and Hendrix. From a deaf person point of view (of course with the aid of the latest digital hearing aid technology) there is none quite the musical range of colorful palette and creativity drive entering a blank soundscape.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall dissecting how he approaches his musical palette when creating music as to a painter approaches the canvas. Any songs he plays from PF and DG, he creates such visuals in my head. Whoa! So many inspirations! Hence, the PF videos at the concerts are so water dreamlike.

  52. Thank you for the translation!!

    I think that was the period of David’s new artistic path…good album and good new mood!

    love
    emi

  53. Caption

    Following their subtle attempts to persuade Mr Gilmour to play Marakesh Express Mr Crosby & Mr Nash went for the direct approach.

  54. Piergiorgio,

    in my modest opinion, I have never considered WINNERS the artists who, for example, died young for excesses of any kind. I love them, but they are not model of life for me, of course. I feel just disappointment for them.

    I don’t condemn who use drugs (someone can define drugs, please?!!!), but I think it is no the best you can do. And if it can be “normal” when you are young (and i don’t see why it should!), I think it’is sad when you become an adult. If at 50 y.o. (for example) you need still to do what you did when you were 16 y.o to feel good, maybe there is something wrong! Age changes, life changes. And it’s a little sad, I think, if at 50 y.o. you need smoke joints, take cocaine, drink too much to relax or enjoy.

    And can you please explain me what do you intend with “use” and “abuse”? For example, 2 joints a day is use or abuse for you?

    And about american food, I am not a fan of americans food habits. But you can’t say all that you think in a way which offend and attack people. Your way to say your thoughts induces me to disagree with you also when I could agree, because i don’t want to support that way to express yourself.

    Sorry, my dear countryman. I have sympathy for you, but I really wish you would be a little less rude and a little more tolerant. This is not just for you…maybe I am not tolerant saying that this! In this case, I’ll try to improve! Will you do the same?

    L!

    (P.S. Sorry for the long and boring post! i promise I disappear for the rest of the day…also two! I love talking and confronting my opinion with those of other people, but I really don’t like when i read on the blog people who attack or offend the others with violent and rude words…)

  55. Drugs are a counterfeit for the real thing. Like any counterfeits, there is a high price to pay. It is also interesting to note that the word translated ‘Witchcraft’ in the Bible is translated from the Greek word pharmakeia, from which we get our related English word pharmaceuticals or ‘drugs’.

    Just because you don’t have the talent or ability to produce or perform without drugs doesn’t make it right. I’m sure paodophiles believe they’re doing no wrong and could throw the same pathetic cliched arguments around.

    There will be no excuses when the doors to the gas chambers of the New World order open fully for business. Take control of your own life or forfeit it to tyranny.

  56. Hi Fed,

    Blake, I am not trying to boo you off the stage either. I, too, would really enjoy a good discussion like you mentioned. 90% of the irregulars and other visitors here would and could discuss things civily. But, there is that 10% that turn any of those discussions into a train wreck. As lame as it may be, it’s still an unfortunate reality.

    Anyways, it’s interesting to hear/ read what David’s thoughts and processes were at the time. Thanks for all the work on translations.

    Have a great day, all

    Mike.

  57. Thanks Tim C. I’m not going anywhere. People forget we are all on the same team.

    The reason The Final Cut gets a bad wrap is because it broke the band up. I happen to love the album and some of the best guitar moments by Gilmour ever. These are the angriest guitar solos by David by far. I can actually hear how pissed off he is by his playing…it is very raw and fiery and what imo is missing from oai. His tone is from hell!!!!! Incredible. The title track is worth the price.

    Give Blood is a classic and check out the video ‘Pete Townsend’s Deep End’ (1985 Brixton Academy) featuring Gilmour. Sick version of Give Blood and I put a Spell on you among other truly great moments…including Won’t Get Fooled Again. He also sings ‘Love on the Air”. A must see for all.

  58. [And Kids, the same is for fat food, alchool, cigarettes, caffeine…anything!!! Hey kids, be in control. And then, once in a while , after you have done your job or your study..you can relax with a drink or a joint and a burger 😉 – Piergiorgio]

    Piergiorgio, please, have you children?…

    Michèle

  59. Ciao,

    I really didn’t think to offend anyone with my tone. I was reacting to a way of thinking that I consider totally wrong. I don’t want to make a philosophy about what is right or what is wrong, what is drug or what is not. My question (define drug) is to provoke your minds.

    The fact is that there is no answer. I hate the idea of someone telling me what is absolutely right or absolutely wrong. I am a judge for myself.

    In the use of any substance, in any action. If a country pretends to tell me what is drug I question it and ask: why? on which basis? the fact we argue about this means that there is no Objectivity in this debate. I want to be free to decide which substance to use to bring me to death BUT…there is a but..I tell anyone, and especially the kids, freedom must go together with self conciousness and responsibility.

    The core of the problem is to educate people not to forbid. To let them know. Because history told me that forbid is unuseful. The “dutch way” is similar to my view. Dutch people face reality and legalized light drigs derived from cannabis.

    Lucia you ask my measure for a drug. I don’t know: if with ten joints I am still in control and can go on with my life that’s my measure…that’s not the point. I don’t aks you, Lucia, how many bottles a day make you die or get alchoolist: simply the law makes it legal. You, and only you, make it a DRUG.

  60. [Confession time – I’ve still never listened to the Final Cut.]

    George Maciver, you really should check it out. It is worth a listen and you typically can pick up a copy of it relatively cheap.

    Andrew

  61. [There will be no excuses when the doors to the gas chambers of the New World order open fully for business. Take control of your own life or forfeit it to tyranny.]

    Now this is getting a bit crazy…

    Here’s my take…and if you have a non-melodramtic, non-insulting response, I’d love to hear it.

    The folks out there (rock-n-roll royalty included) that need a bag of weed a day, a case of booze a day, 4 Big Macs and Super Size fries in excess to get them though the day aren’t losers. Flawed, yes. Masking and running away from serious problems, yes. Losers, no. We’re all different and have many different ways of dealing with (or not dealing with) problems.

    There’s a few out there who like to judge others so completely subjectively, as well. That is just another extreme masking technique designed to suppress your own insecurities and fears.

    Some people have extreme ways to deal, some don’t. We’re all different, and to cast ones own set of standards upon others is the first step in complete denial.

    As a matter of my own opinion, pot has done much less harm compared to alcohol, and hard drugs, such as cocaine, heroin, and the other opiates. It’s a matter of fact. Food, on the other hand, can be blamed for many a death, too.

    It’s all relative.

  62. Hi my dear David Gilmour… i’m your italian fan… i listen Pink Floyd from when i’ve 1 years… 😀

    I love Pink Floyd!!!

  63. Dear F.Ed.and Friends,

    Shame of me: I had never heard fully “About Face” , I mean i’ve only heard the samples last year somewhere on the web of every songs, when i started visiting this site.

    I’ll fill my gap buying the CD soonest…in order to be added to my precious collection of Pink Floyd/D.Gilmour Lp/CD/DVD….frankly speaking I ‘m very interested in all the new technologies’ improvements, IPod, digital downloads, but I’m a little bit “old”.

    I mean that i’d NEVER prefer a download rather that a real CD . I like to see it, to have in my hands, to see the cover, the colours, to read every smaller word on it, to learn the lyrics by heart…..to breathe the spirit of the artist!

    Many thanks to all you, folks for the very interesting material: this is the true web, this is the very best of this blog!

    Cheers, bye, ciao
    Elisabetta

  64. One more comment on the Final Cut.

    I always wondered who chose the image of the soldier with a knife in his back holding a movie reel? Many have surmised that it was Waters because he was unhappy with the Wall movie. However, one can read many things into that image. Kinda appropriate in many different ways.

    Andrew

  65. [I mean that i’d NEVER prefer a download rather that a real CD . I like to see it, to have in my hands, to see the cover, the colours, to read every smaller word on it, to learn the lyrics by heart…..to breathe the spirit of the artist!]

    Elisabetta Corsi-S.Giorgio:

    You should track down the original records when you can. With those you can truly appreciate the artwork and packaging even if you don’t have a record player to play the music. Albums are certainly a lost artform in this digital world.

    Andrew

  66. [Lucia you ask my measure for a drug. I don’t know: if with ten joints I am still in control and can go on with my life that’s my measure. – Posted by: Piergiorgio at January 29, 2007 02:21 PM]

    I don’t think that americans who eat fries and humburgers loose their controll!!!!! And your speeches about be free from addictions are very beautiful, but ask to some medical doctors and experts who can explain you the chemical effects on health and brain of some substances and you will discover that it is not OBJECTIVE but there is a “why” and a “base”, after all!

    Anyway, we don’t agree and probably we’ll never do (on this issue, I mean!). So, go on! And, Fed, feel free to don’t post that if you want to leave the issue drops.

    Can i add that I like The Final Cut album! It is not so good as the previous Pink Floyd’s albums, but some tracks are very good and, anyway, really better than a lot of albums you can find around! I like a lot One Of The Few, The Hero’s Return and The Final Cut, for example.

    What David felt about that period and the atmosphere is another story that we can’t know and judge. But I agree with blake and Jake and all the other who said that there are some good guitar there! And i also like how David sings Not Now John and ask “Scusi, dove è il bar?”!!! FUNNY!

    I said I would not post again…but I can confess without shame that I am a terrible cheater!

    L!

  67. [There’s a few out there who like to judge others so completely subjectively, as well. That is just another extreme masking technique designed to suppress your own insecurities and fears – George Gipe]

    At the risk of seeming like I am taking sides (and I am not), I just want to commend you on making some sensible observations. Good on you, mate!

    It is really pointless to be bludgeoning each other into submission. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. But our realities our all a little bit different. It wouldn’t hurt some to be a little more sensitive to that fact.

    Michael

  68. [ You should track down the original records when you can. With those you can truly appreciate the artwork and packaging even if you don’t have a record player to play the music. ]

    Here’s an interesting piece of trivia: Did you know there are over 150 different vinyl releases of Dark Side of the Moon? Someone recently sold a complete collection. That takes the phrase “Vinyl completist ” to an entirely new level.

    Someone earlier mentioned the About Face VHS. I was in high school when About Face was released. One of the first things I did with money earned from my first summer job was to buy a copy of the VHS. I’ll have to dig around my parents attic and see if I can find it.

    I hope everyone had a great weekend.

  69. drug: Function: noun, Etymology: Middle English drogge

    1 : a obsolete : a substance used in dyeing or chemical operations b : a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication c according to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device

    2 : a commodity that is not salable or for which there is no demand — used in the phrase drug on the market

    3 : something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness

    This conversation makes me want to say something. For the first time in 3 or 4 years I came down with the Flu this weekend that hit me like 2 tons of bricks. I am a believer that holistic medicine, homeopathic remedy, and sleep are the most natural ways to cure one of ills.

    Sometimes they don’t work as was the case with me this weekend.

    Knowing full well that work on Monday was going to be hell if I didn’t snap this fever, aching, head-cold, chest congestion, sluggishness that had me miserable, I decided that some Vicks NyQuil multi-symptom cold/flu remedy was what I needed. Today I feel like a new man. I would still be in bed today if not for this ‘drug’.

    George, I am not having a go at you, for I believe many of us understand what drugs, in any form, can do when unmitigated. I think my point is, please be careful when generalizing to any degree, especially with the all the intelligence present on this blog.

    If you don’t agree, A.G. Lafley, CEO and President of Proctor & Gamble is waiting to hear from you.

  70. Blake

    The Final Cut didn’t break the band up…

    The band had already broken up, Richard Wright does not appear on the album because he’d been sacked during the recordings for the Wall, it was written solely by Waters, only one song has DG singing lead vocals, it was only released as a PF album because of Record Company pressure and there was never a concert tour to promote the album…

    So PF were pretty much “pushing up the daisies” after the Wall and well before The Final Cut…

  71. Hi all,

    Blake, I agree that The Final Cut contains some great work by David. It is a very powerful album in it’s own right. I feel that the band was well on it’s way to breaking up long before that, though.

    As far as the angst and rawness, look at the circumstances then compared to now. David was pissed and frustrated and all that stuff he poured into his playing on TFC and even on earlier solo stuff. Now, his circumstances are different, more low profile, laid back, etc. and it really shows on OAI. The rawness is missing because David doesn’t seem to have as much to be pissed off about now. It comes from a different place.

    George Gipe, I agree with 99% of what you said. People mask their own problems in many ways, and cope in ways that are damaging to one’s self.

    I have personally seen some great talents from several people I have personally known destroy themselves. They could have made a great difference in society, lived a productive life, but chose to destroy themselves and the talent given to them. That, to me, makes someone a loser. I do not have much sympathy for people that purposely destroy themselves and anyone else they can take down with them.

    Have a good day, all

    Mike

  72. Thanks for that Andrew, I’ve waited a long time for an excuse to buy The Final Cut. I think I may have just found my excuse . . .

  73. I like the redesign of the Stuff & Nonsence page. It’s good for people to go to who want to learn more about chatting! Also to Michele, Ronny and LG, thank you soooo much for the extra work you put in on our behalf. I am very appreciative!! And thank you FEd for making it happen!

    I also wanted to single out and thank LG for getting me that much sought after, and very hard to find, AL-10″ LP. My Arnold Layne collection is now complete!! I am a very happy lad I must say! 🙂

  74. FED, I mean Ronaldo “El Gordo”, but tell me something about Cristiano too.

    Thanks.

    [I was going to ask if you meant the chubby one or the one who dives a lot. I prefer the former, but they’re both fine players when they’re in the mood to play. – Features Editor]

  75. Hi all… The Final Cut: when I first bought it I thought it was kinda terrible. Over time and many listens I came to like the album. There are moments that are fantastic and it definitely belongs in my collection (at its worst moments its still better than a lot of the crap that’s out there). So yes- any Floyd fan should have it.

    I wonder how great a record it could have been if David had been given an equal voice… oh yeah- it would have been a GREAT album then. Can’t turn back the clock tho.

    Andrew I agree… we lost a lot when album art got shrunk down to nothing on CD’s. PF Wish You Were Here, Yes Yessongs, Led Zeppelin III are some of my favorite albums for their artwork.

    Tim

  76. And people wonder why the planet is in the state it’s in …. three cheers for the human race…

    You can’t place a high enough value on personal privacy – especially these days. There are very good reasons why the blog and it’s features are moderated the way they are.

    Everyone should be careful about the programs they download, the sites they visit, and think carefully about the information and opinions they relay about themselves – not just on the internet.

    There are many individuals and organisations who are mining information about people – you can guarantee that a prominent site like this has it’s fair share of these types.

    The NSA is one of the MANY intelligence organisations and tools actively used by the ruling class to maintain their grip on the workers. The NSA is trying to compile information about every living entity on the globe – check them out.

    Illicit drugs are a tool that the power class uses to enslave the minds and break the will of the working class – it’s no accident that the availability of illicit drugs remain a constant in society. Think about it.

    The ruling class have used drugs – of one form or another – to enslaved people for as long as society has existed – and well before that.

    Hysteron proteron

  77. Hey Guys,

    On the drug topic, I have a degree in drug and alcohol abuse counseling. The thing with ‘drugs’ is that it is a very individualized thing. Not everyone who indulges does it for the same reason. Some are guided by emotions, some by compulsions. You just can’t put everyone who uses in the same category.

    There are what we call functional addicts who are CEOs, then there are those who have comletely hit rock bottom and have lost everything, family, home, job, etc…

    Even coffee and soda can be considred drugs.

    Enough of the soap box standing!

    FEd, I hope you had a fabulous weekend!!!

    Penny

    [Thank you, Penny. I did and hope that you did, too. – Features Editor]

  78. The Final Cut was a depressing record with some glimpses of genius, albeit megalomaniacal genius…

  79. [… we lost a lot when album art got shrunk down to nothing on CD’s. PF Wish You Were Here, Yes Yessongs, Led Zeppelin III are some of my favorite albums for their artwork.]

    Tim,

    And don’t forget Zeppelin Physical Graffiti and The Rolling Stones Sticky Fingers & Some Girls.

    Of course, David’s first solo release was a neat gatefold release. And what about The Wall?? I used to doodle images from that album all the time and anywhere I can. Now I need a magnifying glass to see any details in the artwork.

    Andrew

  80. I also want to comment on David’s choice of musicians for the About Face release versus the OAI release.

    It is kind of interesting to see the process he went through in putting together that recording and his latest.

    With AF he basically had two different bands – one that he worked with in the studio and one that did the tour.

    And of course he had some “heavy weights” with talent such as Steve Winwood and Pete Townsend being the bigger names. I believe that was Stevie’s Arc of a Diver period where his career just took off again. Yet, with OAI he brought in Crosby and Nash.

    And with all the success David enjoyed with PF it is interesting how he elevates Winwood. Very humble.

    The best part though was that with the OAI tour we actually got to see Crosby & Nash perform with him whereas with AF tour I don’t know if he had any special guests.

    Nevertheless, it is interesting to see how David has tapped talent to help him in his creations.

    Andrew

  81. If we are talking album covers Alice Cooper’s Billion Dollar Babies was as extravagent as you could get.

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